X-Original-To: pgsql-www-postgresql.org@localhost.postgresql.org Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.204.2]) by svr1.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 109C3D1B515 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 10:09:14 -0300 (ADT) Received: from svr1.postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (neptune.hub.org [200.46.204.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 78380-05 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 10:09:14 -0300 (ADT) Received: from osiris.gamecrashnet.de (gcnw01.de [217.160.131.208]) by svr1.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2526FD1B486 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 10:09:08 -0300 (ADT) Received: (qmail 26742 invoked by uid 2003); 12 Apr 2004 13:05:55 -0000 Message-ID: <20040412130555.26741.qmail@osiris.gamecrashnet.de> To: pgsql-www@postgresql.org, greg@turnstep.com Subject: Re: [webmaster] online demonstration against EU Software Reply-To: From: "Andreas Grabmueller" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: HiveMail 1.2.2 Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 15:05:55 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-Originating-IP: 217.84.73.6 In-Reply-To: <14e60411734dd9ce338f09c3c5c8916d@biglumber.com> References: <14e60411734dd9ce338f09c3c5c8916d@biglumber.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at postgresql.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200404/82 X-Sequence-Number: 4186 Keep the project apolitical? What happens if someone patents "A software that stores and manages data" - PostgreSQL will then be illegal here in Europe - who should pay the license fees? And this is exactly the type of patent we are talking about (and that kind of patents already exist here in Germany, they just are not legal yet). Mit freundlichen Grüßen Andreas Grabmüller ----- Original-Nachricht ----- Von: "Greg Sabino Mullane" An: pgsql-www@postgresql.org Datum: Monday, April 12, 2004 01:11 PM Betreff: [pgsql-www] [webmaster] online demonstration against EU Software > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Cool. Does this mean we're ok to make the warning on the home > > page more prominent? > > More prominent than the ugly, neon green animated Pac-man like thing > currently on the home page? What percentage of the people reading > the page are really going to be able to "come to Brussels?" I vote > for removing it and keeping the project as apolitical as possible. > > - -- > Greg Sabino Mullane greg@turnstep.com > PGP Key: 0x14964AC8 200404120710 > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > iD8DBQFAenmDvJuQZxSWSsgRAj0tAKCE7mTm7ebLRTpnG+PtwYzZgYReVQCfXJNF > IE4kM/xght/dY9pLEkbxgg8= > =6mVd > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 1: subscribe and unsubscribe commands go to majordomo@postgresql.org -- LetzPlay.de | Freemail: http://www.letzplay.de/mail | Forenhosting: http://www.letzplay.de/foren From pgsql-www-owner@postgresql.org Mon Apr 12 10:12:13 2004 X-Original-To: pgsql-www-postgresql.org@localhost.postgresql.org Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.204.2]) by svr1.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30471D1B486 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 10:12:12 -0300 (ADT) Received: from svr1.postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (neptune.hub.org [200.46.204.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 80971-02 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 10:12:14 -0300 (ADT) Received: from osiris.gamecrashnet.de (gcnw01.de [217.160.131.208]) by svr1.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC0C9D1E0D8 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 10:12:09 -0300 (ADT) Received: (qmail 27111 invoked by uid 2003); 12 Apr 2004 13:08:57 -0000 Message-ID: <20040412130857.27110.qmail@osiris.gamecrashnet.de> To: jclift@digitaldistribution.com, scrappy@postgresql.org Subject: Re: [webmaster] online demonstration against EU Software Reply-To: From: "Andreas Grabmueller" Cc: greg@turnstep.com, pgsql-www@postgresql.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: HiveMail 1.2.2 Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 15:08:57 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-Originating-IP: 217.84.73.6 In-Reply-To: <20040412100022.W25086@ganymede.hub.org> References: <14e60411734dd9ce338f09c3c5c8916d@biglumber.com> <407A907A.5040208@postgresql.org> <20040412100022.W25086@ganymede.hub.org> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at postgresql.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200404/83 X-Sequence-Number: 4187 > Nobody has yet mentioned how this is the case ... how would such a patent > affect us? For instance, there is no EU corporate entity that anyone > could claim copyright infringement against, so there is nobody to 'tie up > in the courts' ... would this give someone in the EU the ability to take > companyA *using* PostgreSQL to court? I'm not sure if this is the case. However, the distribution would be illegal. The biggest distributor in Germany is SuSE - and they would be no more able to distribute PostgreSQL (and many more things)... Mit freundlichen Grüßen Andreas Grabmüller -- LetzPlay.de | Freemail: http://www.letzplay.de/mail | Forenhosting: http://www.letzplay.de/foren From pgsql-www-owner@postgresql.org Mon Apr 12 10:25:32 2004 X-Original-To: pgsql-www-postgresql.org@localhost.postgresql.org Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.204.2]) by svr1.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DF94D1E176 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 10:25:32 -0300 (ADT) Received: from svr1.postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (neptune.hub.org [200.46.204.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 81388-10 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 10:25:34 -0300 (ADT) Received: from ganymede.hub.org (u46n208.hfx.eastlink.ca [24.222.46.208]) by svr1.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3B92D1E172 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 10:25:30 -0300 (ADT) Received: by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id D3B073431C; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 10:25:35 -0300 (ADT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0CA6342E6; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 10:25:35 -0300 (ADT) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 10:25:35 -0300 (ADT) From: "Marc G. Fournier" X-X-Sender: scrappy@ganymede.hub.org To: Andreas Grabmueller Cc: pgsql-www@postgresql.org, greg@turnstep.com Subject: Re: [webmaster] online demonstration against EU Software In-Reply-To: <20040412130555.26741.qmail@osiris.gamecrashnet.de> Message-ID: <20040412102454.M25086@ganymede.hub.org> References: <14e60411734dd9ce338f09c3c5c8916d@biglumber.com> <20040412130555.26741.qmail@osiris.gamecrashnet.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at postgresql.org X-Archive-Number: 200404/84 X-Sequence-Number: 4188 On Mon, 12 Apr 2004, Andreas Grabmueller wrote: > Keep the project apolitical? What happens if someone patents "A software > that stores and manages data" - PostgreSQL will then be illegal here in > Europe - who should pay the license fees? And this is exactly the type > of patent we are talking about (and that kind of patents already exist > here in Germany, they just are not legal yet). 'k, but such a broad patent would see ppl like Oracle, Sybase and several other commercial vendors in court, no? I can't see that sort of patent holding up for very long ... ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664