X-Original-To: pgsql-advocacy-postgresql.org@localhost.postgresql.org Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.204.2]) by svr1.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 875D6D1CACD for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 14:04:07 -0300 (ADT) Received: from svr1.postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (neptune.hub.org [200.46.204.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 92426-05 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 14:04:01 -0300 (ADT) Received: from davinci.ethosmedia.com (server228.ethosmedia.com [209.128.84.228]) by svr1.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 016EFD1B470 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 14:03:59 -0300 (ADT) Received: from [63.195.55.98] (HELO spooky) by davinci.ethosmedia.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with ESMTP id 4929267; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 10:05:24 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Josh Berkus Organization: Aglio Database Solutions To: Bruce Momjian Subject: Re: What can we learn from MySQL? Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 10:03:17 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 Cc: PostgreSQL advocacy References: <200404230409.i3N49jC02890@candle.pha.pa.us> In-Reply-To: <200404230409.i3N49jC02890@candle.pha.pa.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200404231003.17380.josh@agliodbs.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at postgresql.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 tagged_above=0.0 required=5.0 tests= X-Spam-Level: X-Archive-Number: 200404/158 X-Sequence-Number: 4130 Bruce, Hmmm ... lessons of MySQL: -- Marketing matters more than technical quality (not news, Microsoft taught us that) -- You can often get away with pretending to have features you don't actually have with enough spin (Microsoft also outshines MySQL in this area) -- Educated Database Administrators are in short supply, and as a result nobody cares about the SQL standard or relational theory anymore (Fabian Pascal could have told you that; according to him, the whole DB industry has been in steady decline since 1994) -- Commerical companies are uncomfortable with Real Open Source, and prefer the pseudo-open-source offered by dual-licensing companies This last lesson was really driven home to me at the Open Source Business Convention; managers were slavering all over "dual licensing" as the "new model of open source." When I pointed out that there's another name for dual licensing -- "shareware" -- I got some real uncomfortable silences. Seems that a lot of companies want the fruits of Open Source without changing the way they do business at all. Big surprise, eh? -- Josh Berkus Aglio Database Solutions San Francisco