X-Original-To: pgsql-advocacy-postgresql.org@localhost.postgresql.org Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.204.2]) by svr1.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E062D1BB16 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 14:26:50 -0300 (ADT) Received: from svr1.postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (neptune.hub.org [200.46.204.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04657-04 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 14:26:48 -0300 (ADT) Received: from davinci.ethosmedia.com (server228.ethosmedia.com [209.128.84.228]) by svr1.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46FDAD1BAD5 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 14:26:47 -0300 (ADT) Received: from [63.195.55.98] (HELO spooky) by davinci.ethosmedia.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with ESMTP id 4929402; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 10:28:11 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Josh Berkus Organization: Aglio Database Solutions To: Bruce Momjian Subject: Re: What can we learn from MySQL? Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 10:26:04 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 Cc: PostgreSQL advocacy References: <200404231713.i3NHDJE19883@candle.pha.pa.us> In-Reply-To: <200404231713.i3NHDJE19883@candle.pha.pa.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200404231026.04743.josh@agliodbs.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at postgresql.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 tagged_above=0.0 required=5.0 tests= X-Spam-Level: X-Archive-Number: 200404/162 X-Sequence-Number: 4134 Bruce, > Agreed. I see dual-license as an interim step for companies moving from > close to true open source. Actually, I don't. As I said, dual-license companies aren't really OSS companies. They are shareware companies, and as such closer to proprietary software than OSS. Futher, these shareware companies *never* move in the direction of being more open as they grow -- they always become more proprietary. See MySQL, VA Systems, Sendmail for examples. Only BerkelyDB seems to have been able to avoid getting more proprietary with time. In fact, I'd say that it's more likely for a 100% proprietary company to open-source a product than for a shareware company to go fully OSS. See, for the shareware companies, OSS is a marketing and distribution model to help them with growing their market share -- and not how their development or organization works. Once they are established in the market, they will toss their OSS facade like a successful junior manager dumps his old hand-me-down suit he wore to the interview when he gets if first paycheck. For the customers of such shareware, it's really just a cheaper alternative to existing offerings -- they don't care about or understand OSS, they just want to be able to license database servers at MySQL's $500 each instead of Microsoft's $5000 each. The only real benefit is that because shareware software wraps itself in the rhetoric of Open Source, its introduciton does open the door for the IT department to sneak in some real Open Source. But in most cases, Linux opened the door to OSS a while ago. -- Josh Berkus Aglio Database Solutions San Francisco