Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 15:09:41 -0300 (ADT)
From: "Marc G. Fournier" <scrappy@postgresql.org>
To: Darcy Buskermolen <darcy@wavefire.com>
Cc: Bruce Momjian <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us>,
	pgsql-advocacy@postgresql.org, pgsql-www@postgresql.org
Subject: Re: [pgsql-advocacy] Server unreliability
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On Wed, 29 Sep 2004, Darcy Buskermolen wrote:

> The over use of jails I think is complicating things, what are the odds 
> that someone could find it in their heart to raid the old hardware pile 
> in their serverback room, and come up with a PIII 800MHz + system with a 
> gig of ram that they could donate to the cause, and we move some of the 
> more critical services (www/ftp/anoncvs) to that box without jails.

jails are not the problem ... the problem is the file system we are using 
to share applications ... but, yes, if we could put a dedicated box in 
place, we could very easily eliminate the use of the file system ... we 
have never had a jail related crash on those servers, they have always 
come down to the file system itself ...

> One thing I know we can do here to help at least the availability of the 
> website itself, is to use a round-robin DNS based setup.  I know Marc 
> adjusted DNS records to point the main website at www3.ca a while back 
> during a time that www was stuck in fsck hell.

To do this, and I'd love to, we'd need to have *at least* all of the 
www*.us.postgresql.org mirrors setup a ServerAlias for www.postgresql.org 
... not sure what would be involved in getting that done though, but the 
DNS side wouldn't take much ...

> What about combining the efforts od pgsql.ru and command prompt to do 
> this, or maybe even monarc or google groups ?

Until someone can *list* the problems, how can a solution be suggested? 
John and I know of no issues at this time ... the last one was the 'time 
period' searches, which we believe we've just fixed ...

> Ok i know how much we all hate banner adds and the like, but what about 
> using Google ads especially on the archives to help generate income to 
> fund these requirements?

Huh?  Google ads?  I know what you mean, just how do we make use of them?

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