X-Original-To: pgsql-www-postgresql.org@localhost.postgresql.org Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.204.144]) by svr1.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB0E7329E41; Wed, 29 Sep 2004 19:42:49 +0100 (BST) Received: from svr1.postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 55015-03; Wed, 29 Sep 2004 18:42:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [200.46.204.220]) by svr1.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1C9432A053; Wed, 29 Sep 2004 19:42:24 +0100 (BST) Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.204.144]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DD7249096A; Wed, 29 Sep 2004 15:42:22 -0300 (ADT) Received: from hub.org ([200.46.204.220]) by localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 53285-07; Wed, 29 Sep 2004 18:42:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ganymede.hub.org (blk-222-46-91.eastlink.ca [24.222.46.91]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6AA649093A; Wed, 29 Sep 2004 15:42:04 -0300 (ADT) Received: by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 5DCC8384CD; Wed, 29 Sep 2004 15:41:59 -0300 (ADT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C4D735D52; Wed, 29 Sep 2004 15:41:59 -0300 (ADT) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 15:41:59 -0300 (ADT) From: "Marc G. Fournier" X-X-Sender: scrappy@ganymede.hub.org To: Peter Eisentraut Cc: Bruce Momjian , PostgreSQL www , PostgreSQL advocacy Subject: Re: Server unreliability In-Reply-To: <200409292015.52976.peter_e@gmx.net> Message-ID: <20040929153428.D93533@ganymede.hub.org> References: <200409291713.i8THDLn14086@candle.pha.pa.us> <200409292015.52976.peter_e@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at hub.org X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at hub.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 tagged_above=0.0 required=5.0 tests= X-Spam-Level: X-Archive-Number: 200409/209 X-Sequence-Number: 5279 On Wed, 29 Sep 2004, Peter Eisentraut wrote: > Bruce Momjian wrote: >> Basically, with no money and no one offering servers, I don't see a >> good solution to any of these problems, but I think we need to >> recognize these are problems and that we will continue to suffer >> until they are addressed. > > I'm sure people would offer money, servers, and pipes if there were some > public accounting and governance. Right now, we don't really know > > - What services are being run? > - How many resources does that take? > - Who provides those resources? > - Who administers these services? > > Take a look at this: . This is the > sort of thing we need before we can continue planning our system > resources. If someone wishes to create the form/interface, I'll fill in the blanks ... right off the top of my head, we have the following VMs running: svr1.postgresql.org - mailing lists, developer.postgresql.org, cvsroot - host server: neptune, Dual Xeon www.postgresql.org - techdocs, advocacy, www - host server: venus, Dual Athlon pgfoundry.org - host server: jupiter, Dual-PIII gborg.postgresql.org - host server: venus, Dual Athlon archives.postgresql.org - mailing list archives - moving to one of commandprompt.com's servers ftp.postgresql.org - also bittorrent and anoncvs - host server: saturn, leased computer pugs.postgresql.org - host server: venus, Dual Athlon search.postgresql.org - hosted on John's server Did I miss any? ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664