X-Original-To: pgsql-www-postgresql.org@localhost.postgresql.org Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.204.144]) by svr1.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD70432A13D; Wed, 29 Sep 2004 18:13:52 +0100 (BST) Received: from svr1.postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25224-06; Wed, 29 Sep 2004 17:13:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from candle.pha.pa.us (candle.pha.pa.us [207.106.42.251]) by svr1.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C057032A157; Wed, 29 Sep 2004 18:13:32 +0100 (BST) Received: (from pgman@localhost) by candle.pha.pa.us (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i8THDLn14086; Wed, 29 Sep 2004 13:13:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Bruce Momjian Message-Id: <200409291713.i8THDLn14086@candle.pha.pa.us> Subject: Server unreliability To: PostgreSQL www Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 13:13:21 -0400 (EDT) Cc: PostgreSQL advocacy X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL108 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at hub.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 tagged_above=0.0 required=5.0 tests= X-Spam-Level: X-Archive-Number: 200409/200 X-Sequence-Number: 5270 It is my opinion that we have to make major changes in the way we provide hosting for our servers. There are several problems: o Location of servers The location of our servers in Panama is a problem. They are too far for any PostgreSQL maintainers to access. Changing hardware or diagnosing problems has been too hard. I have had like 2 days of downtime on my home machine in the past 12 years. We have had more than 2 days of downtime in the past 6 months. My wife would not accept such a reliability level. o FreeBSD The use of FreeBSD jails can cause servers to take +8 hours to fsck on a server crash or power failure. Again, I would never accept such problems on my home server so it is hard to fathom how a project with thousands of users can accept that. Either we need to find a fix, stop using jails, or get another operating system, but continuing to use a setup with a known problem is just asking for trouble. o Web site We have been talking about a new web page layout for years at this point. I almost don't care if they just put a dancing bear up on the web site. Let's do something! o Archives The archives situation is a continual problem. Again, maybe a dancing bear can help. :-) Basically, with no money and no one offering servers, I don't see a good solution to any of these problems, but I think we need to recognize these are problems and that we will continue to suffer until they are addressed. Are there any proposals, no matter how radical, to correct these? -- Bruce Momjian | http://candle.pha.pa.us pgman@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 359-1001 + If your life is a hard drive, | 13 Roberts Road + Christ can be your backup. | Newtown Square, Pennsylvania 19073