Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 11:20:37 -0800
To: Robert Treat <xzilla@users.sourceforge.net>
Cc: "Joshua D. Drake" <jd@commandprompt.com>,
	"Jim C. Nasby" <jnasby@pervasive.com>, Chris Browne <cbbrowne@acm.org>,
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Subject: Re: Major donors
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From: elein <elein@varlena.com>

On Thu, Mar 23, 2006 at 01:34:46PM -0500, Robert Treat wrote:
> On Thu, 2006-03-23 at 12:37, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
> > As sponsors page that will delineate between size of monetary 
> > contribution is going to cause problems with those who donate a great
> > deal of in-kind contributions.
> > 
> > Elein is a perfect example. If she goes to 3 shows how much is that 
> > worth? My day rate is 2500.00 (if I am out of towm) plus expenses....
> > 
> 
> ISTM if you are distributing flyers/business cards with your name over
> them, your already getting a return on your time investment at a given
> show, especially in cases like oscon where the booth is provided to the
> project for free.  If you are paying to get postgresql entry into the
> conference (like was recently discussed in the dubai thread) then that
> might be a little different, but I think we need some kind of
> delineation between companies who pay developer salaries, people who
> staff booths where they get to advertise their wares, and people who
> send in a check (Well, that assumes the goal isn't just to compile the
> largest list of sponsors we can, but actually give real recognition to
> those who continually sponsor this project and the folks who might give
> a one time donation).  
> 

If all I did was to staff a booth at conferences and hand out cards, then you 
might have a point.  However, this is not the case for me.  I created 
PostgreSQL flyers (not varlena flyers).  I organize the pin effort. I help organize 
the booth.  I work with the oscon committee. I give talks at conferences and user
groups which require preparation.  I write a semi-weekly column with a huge archive.  
I do get a little marketing visibility in there but believe me I work and pay for 
it dearly since most of what I do goes to educating the postgresql user community for free.

This is just me.  Certain other people also do not get paid for their work
and time above and beyond self-interest.  We consider it our contribution
back to the community.  This, I believe, is how and why open source works.

Why does it bother you to acknowledge work and time of others?  (That is a
rhetorical question.)

--elein
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