From: Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Message-Id: <200609021640.k82GeYw25440@momjian.us>
Subject: Re: Getting a move on for 8.2 beta
In-Reply-To: <44F9B0E4.4060802@pooteeweet.org>
To: Lukas Kahwe Smith <smith@pooteeweet.org>
Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 12:40:34 -0400 (EDT)
CC: Robert Treat <xzilla@users.sourceforge.net>, pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org
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Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote:
> Bruce Momjian wrote:
> > Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote:
> >> Robert Treat wrote:
> >>
> >>> No offense, a whole lot of this thread seems to be positioned that way, but 
> >>> the real problem seems to be we do not have enough patch reviewers.  ISTM the 
> >>> questions we should be asking are who can actually help out with patch review 
> >>> and then ask those people why they haven't done it.   If folks like Peter, 
> >>> Andrew, Magnus, Simon, Joe, and Niel all say that they are not reviewing 
> >>> patches because they can't find the patches that need review, they can't 
> >>> figure out who is reviewing what, or they don't think anyone is paying 
> >>> attention when they do review something, then I think we have a serious 
> >>> problem and we certainly need to change processes.  What I think you'll find 
> >>> is that they are all just busy working on other things, which in that case I 
> >>> think we need to figure out how to motivate them to focus on the patch queue 
> >>> rather than other items.    IMHO
> >> I think that if all the patches are listed with all relevant context 
> >> information on a webpage, then people can more easily jump in when they 
> >> unexpectedly have time (or prefer to procrastinate some other real world 
> >> thing they should rather work on). Right now if you have a few hours to 
> >> spare you do not have all the information readily available. Even worse 
> >> by inquiring for the information you might feel you are commiting more 
> >> than you really wanted to. This kind of information needs to be right 
> >> there without any person having to actively provide it upon inquiry.
> > 
> > OK, how does that happen without a lot of work, or moving all discussion
> > on to a web-based system?
> 
> No discussion takes place on the lists and IRC and busy bees make sure 
> that the progress/decisions etc get updated on the static wiki. Wiki's 
> suck at discussions, but they are great to store the decisions made so 
> that anyone can get himself upto speed and things do not get lost over time.
> 
> It seems that you have been the only busy bee so far, and we definitely 
> need more for this to work.

Yea, I was afraid that was the answer.  :-(

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