From: "Dave Page" <dpage@postgresql.org>
To: "Neil Conway" <neilc@samurai.com>
CC: Decibel! <decibel@decibel.org>, "Magnus Hagander" <magnus@hagander.net>,
	"Robert Treat" <xzilla@users.sourceforge.net>,
	pgsql-advocacy@postgresql.org,
	"Greg Sabino Mullane" <greg@turnstep.com>, pgsql-www@postgresql.org
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Subject: Re: [pgsql-advocacy] We need an Advocacy wiki
Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 20:32:03 +0100
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> ------- Original Message -------
> From: Neil Conway <neilc@samurai.com>
> To: Dave Page <dpage@postgresql.org>
> Sent: 04/08/07, 19:59:29
> Subject: Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [pgsql-www] We need an Advocacy wiki
> 
> On Sat, 2007-04-08 at 19:30 +0100, Dave Page wrote:
> > Screenreaders cannot read the images.
> 
> Since the goal is to simplify signups in the common case, can't we just
> provide a means for people to email the admins and have an account
> created if they can't use the captcha?

We could do that, though there is a weaker argument that it would still be discriminatory because the disabled used cannot participate instantly, or without drawing attention to his or her disability.

One trend in UK anti-discrimination laws of late is that the question of whether or not discrimination has or has not occurred is almost entirely down to the victim - ie. if *they* feel they have been discriminated against, there is a case to be heard (though not necessarily to be won of course).

> > Many of the bigger sites (eg. Paypal) offer audio versions of the images
> 
> To play the devil's advocate, ISTM this still discriminates against the
> deaf-blind.

You have to draw the line somewhere about how far it is reasonable to take these things. Ever heard (better yet, seen the video) Metallica's 'One'? Would it be reasonable to make the site accessible for that poor guy? 

Regards, Dave