Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.204.184]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E56DB2E0044 for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2008 00:16:21 -0300 (ADT) Received: from postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.184]) (amavisd-maia, port 10024) with ESMTP id 73451-10 for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2008 00:16:19 -0300 (ADT) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.5 Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 171D02E0040 for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2008 00:16:19 -0300 (ADT) Received: from new-host.home ([71.245.161.199]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JY2001SO92NE553@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for pgsql-www@postgresql.org; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 22:16:00 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 23:15:57 -0400 From: Robert Treat Subject: Re: Time to get infrastructure team-based In-reply-to: <937d27e10803201526n5c8c0901icbae3729765e36e@mail.gmail.com> To: pgsql-www@postgresql.org Cc: "Dave Page" , "Bruce Momjian" Message-id: <200803202315.58225.xzilla@users.sourceforge.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline References: <937d27e10803201507ue1fdfe1p7a9310ba5518f357@mail.gmail.com> <200803202222.m2KMMs627372@momjian.us> <937d27e10803201526n5c8c0901icbae3729765e36e@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 X-Virus-Scanned: Maia Mailguard 1.0.1 X-Archive-Number: 200803/443 X-Sequence-Number: 14562 On Thursday 20 March 2008 18:26, Dave Page wrote: > On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 10:22 PM, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > Dave Page wrote: > > > On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 10:00 PM, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > > I saw your request for documentation on the infrastructure but I > > > > don't remember anything else. I don't se this as a core discussion > > > > because the team is going to be more than core folks. > > > > > > I've suggested a number of times that we need to decouple all > > > postgresql.org mail infrastructure from hub.org so it can be > > > independently managed. Numerous people have been asked the same thing > > > here for much longer, but have given up because the answer has always > > > been no. Thats why I've been raising it in core. > > > > OK, so maybe there is the crux. Who says "no" unchallenged? I don't > > think I can, and I don't think anyone else in this community can either. > > I think you can guess who says no (if not, I'll tell you out of band). > I seem to be the only person doing any challenging and without some > nods of agreement at least I cannot do much more. We do at least have > some more documentation as of yesterday though... but the current > problems are with a whole server which that doesn't help with. > If we're serious about doing this decoupling, I'll mention again that OmniTI would be interested in helping out... fwiw we helped out the PHP project setup thier current infrastructure.... and have a fair amount of knowledge in the email department. -- Robert Treat Build A Brighter LAMP :: Linux Apache {middleware} PostgreSQL