Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 17:13:33 +0100
From: Andreas 'ads' Scherbaum <adsmail@wars-nicht.de>
To: pgsql-www@postgresql.org
Subject: Re: Time to get infrastructure team-based
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Hello all,

On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 22:07:28 +0000 Dave Page wrote:

> On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 10:00 PM, Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> wrote:
> >  I saw your request for documentation on the infrastructure but I don't
> >  remember anything else.  I don't se this as a core discussion because
> >  the team is going to be more than core folks.
> 
> I've suggested a number of times that we need to decouple all
> postgresql.org mail infrastructure from hub.org so it can be
> independently managed. Numerous people have been asked the same thing
> here for much longer, but have given up because the answer has always
> been no. Thats why I've been raising it in core.

It doesn't have to be decoupled - but given the problems (plural) in
the past, it really makes sense. I remember uncounted times with delayed
mails, not just minutes but hours. I even sometimes got answers on my
mails hours before i have seen my own mails on the list. The delay was
always, according to the Received headers, a hub.org mail server.

Oh, and for
http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-www/2008-02/msg00219.php
i'm still waiting for an answer. I just got word, that i was not the
only one with this problem.

I don't know, how many problems it needs to drive away people from
PostgreSQL, but if we start to unsubscribe people from the mailinglists,
most of them won't come back.

So my personal opinion is: the PostgreSQL project should have his own
infractructure for mail and mailinglists, because in this case the
sysadmin team can take care in case of a problem.

This are just my 0.02 Euro-cent, i'm neither -core nor -www, i'm
just *censored* about the current situation.


Kind regards

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				Andreas 'ads' Scherbaum
German PostgreSQL User Group
European PostgreSQL User Group - Board of Directors