Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 12:44:22 -0300 (ADT)
From: "Marc G. Fournier" <scrappy@hub.org>
To: "Joshua D. Drake" <jd@commandprompt.com>
cc: Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>,
	PostgreSQL www <pgsql-www@postgresql.org>
Subject: Re: New email list for emergency communications
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On Mon, 24 Mar 2008, Joshua D. Drake wrote:

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> On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 11:17:02 -0400 (EDT)
> Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> wrote:
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>>
>> [ BCC to core.]
>>
>> Right now we have no way to communicate as a group if our community
>> email infrastructure isn't working.
>
> Yes there is.
>
> jabber.postgresql.org
> irc.freenode.net
> direct email
>
> Not to mention how many other services people are using with buddy
> lists? :P
>
>>
>> Therefore, I have created an email list on my machine that can be used
>> for communication in such situations.  It is called:
>>
>> 	pgsql-emergency@momjian.us
>>
>> I envision this as an email list that will allow more rapid recovery
>> during email outages.  I know many use IRC in such cases but this
>> allows notification.  Also some don't use IRC.
>>
>
> Everyone in the know uses one of:
>
> gtalk
> yahoo
> irc
> jabber
>
>> If you want to be subscribed, please email me privately.  I think it
>> is particularly important for infrastructure managers to be
>> subscribed to this list.
>
> I would like the requirements defined by the -www and sysadmins teams.
> I don't want us to go off and create yet more infrastructure without
> full documentation and understanding of the purpose and whether it is
> redundant.
>
> This list is currently redundant as we have the resources and
> technology already in place to deal with this. I think you are
> attacking the wrong problem Bruce.

For how often it happens, its worth nothing: I agree 100% with Joshua 
here, but, if Bruce wants to create a list on his personal domain (which, 
in itself is a failure point as it requires that *his* domain is not 100% 
perfect), it doesn't mean that anyone actually has to *use* it ... I know 
I never will, since there already exist faster, more reliable, contact 
methods ...