Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 08:41:49 -0400
From: Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@commandprompt.com>
To: Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Cc: Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>, Gregory Stark <stark@enterprisedb.com>,
	Greg Smith <gsmith@gregsmith.com>,
	Pg Hackers <pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org>
Subject: Re: Patch queue -> wiki
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Bruce Momjian wrote:

> That private email list has grown into something official because I am
> more thorough about it than most.  If the community wants a more
> collaborative tool, they can create one or ask for additions to my web
> pages.  If I need to take my pages offline to help, fine.
> 
> If the new system is 10x harder than I what I do now, I will probably
> just keep doing what I am doing and just not make it visible.  I can put
> some work into using the collaborative tool, but as I said before, we
> are going to need another 9x of effort.
> 
> Personally I don't think either the March or May wiki pages are accurate
> enough, so that isn't a good sign.

To me, what this means is that you're the perfect person to be helping
making the wiki pages more accurate to cover all items that need
attention.  The fact that you seem to be fighting them (the pages), in
spite of the fact that everyone else has started using them, seems a bit
worrying to me.

I don't know how to measure how much harder using the wiki page is on
terms of the effort it takes you to update your pgpatches page -- so I
don't know about 10x, 9x or how many X's I have already used up.  But
while I certainly spent a fair amount of work to create the initial
version, the fact that they're up and running now means the work needed
to keep them up to date is not tremendous.

FWIW I've been asking patch submitters (privately) to add the patches
they submit to the May commitfest pages, and they've mostly done it
right away.  If you click the history link on the May page you can see
changes from Pavel Stehule, Teodor, Andrew Dunstan, Greg Start and Tom
-- so we already have a reasonably complete overview of what we need to
do on the next commitfest.  I don't expect this to be a one-time affair.

-- 
Alvaro Herrera                                http://www.CommandPrompt.com/
The PostgreSQL Company - Command Prompt, Inc.