Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.204.183]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16C6B64FCC6 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 13:52:23 -0300 (ADT) Received: from postgresql.org ([200.46.204.86]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.183]) (amavisd-maia, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06050-01 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 13:52:21 -0300 (ADT) X-Greylist: domain auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D283664FCC4 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 13:52:20 -0300 (ADT) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 30 Aug 2008 16:52:17 -0000 Received: from hoasnet-fe1cdd00-98.dhcp.inet.fi (EHLO [192.168.2.201]) [80.221.28.98] by mail.gmx.net (mp001) with SMTP; 30 Aug 2008 18:52:17 +0200 X-Authenticated: #495269 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+KpG9KVK6KuNqhEbKdBNfTHcFa/knq0e3TOTW6WG fRTKkNZ0xxaTOo From: Peter Eisentraut To: pgsql-www@postgresql.org Subject: Re: Download links Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 19:50:19 +0300 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.9 Cc: "Dave Page" , "Chander Ganesan" References: <937d27e10808110203l790a9c3eud97fdde42f70b92f@mail.gmail.com> <48B85DCF.8070206@gmail.com> <937d27e10808300559l581198bewce0c3727a10c157f@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <937d27e10808300559l581198bewce0c3727a10c157f@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200808301950.20330.peter_e@gmx.net> X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.65 X-Virus-Scanned: Maia Mailguard 1.0.1 X-Archive-Number: 200808/117 X-Sequence-Number: 15707 On Saturday 30 August 2008 15:59:41 Dave Page wrote: > The ordering intentionally puts the easy to use, one size fits all > above the platform specific packaging. Experience tells us that the > people that have most trouble figuring out what to download tend to be > the ones for whom the one-click point and drool packages are the most > appropriate. The more experienced users are generally able to find the > 'exact-fit' packages for their distro. What is concerning me is that the one-click installer is essentially a proprietary product and it is put into the prominent spot PostgreSQL -> Download -> Linux -> first choice. Now, basically everyone who wants free advertisement has to make their own one-click installer and fight with you for that spot. At the very least, the whole thing should be moved to a community-hosted infrastructure, an open development model, and no company advertisement. (For related reasons, I think the company names on the download pages should be deleted altogether.) Also, I would personally never recommend anyone using a non-distro packaged binary, which is why I am concerned that we are putting this into the prominent spot. There are good technical reasons for that recommendation. For example, if you install a nonpackaged version of libpq, none of the other packages available in your distro that depend on libpq will work. The explanation you give above is acknowledged but I don't believe it is accurate. The distro packaging should be the default even for the non-superguru user.