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From: "Gavin M. Roy" <gmr@ehpg.net>
Subject: Re: PGDN and CVS
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 13:02:54 -0700
To: "Gevik babakhani" <gevik@xs4all.nl>

Yes, is my pet project.  I'll send you some info on the framewerk list.

Gavin

On Sep 21, 2005, at 12:52 PM, Gevik babakhani wrote:

> Is this Framewerk the same as www.Framewerk.org?
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: pgsql-www-owner@postgresql.org [mailto:pgsql-www-
>> owner@postgresql.org] On Behalf Of Josh Berkus
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2005 9:15 PM
>> To: Gevik babakhani
>> Cc: pgsql-www@postgresql.org; 'Magnus Hagander'; 'Dave Page'
>> Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] PGDN and CVS
>>
>> Gevik,
>>
>>
>>> I'm not discouraged in anyway... I have just been looking over  
>>> and over
>>> for a CMS that we could use in our project. Time after time I end up
>>> with commercial products. And even if they are opensource, they  
>>> need to
>>> be so much customized that one has to put more time in  
>>> customizing the
>>> CMS framework rather than building the actual requirement.
>>>
>>
>> What is it you're trying to implement, exactly, that you don't find
>> supported?  Is it the tree structure?
>>
>> Even if existing CMSes require customization, I think it'd be  
>> better to
>> work with that project and try to get them involved in the  
>> feature.  As
>> far as I know, the only CMS you've really tried is Drupal.
>>
>> Both Bricolage and Framewerk are intimate with the PostgreSQL  
>> community
>> and
>> could be counted on to work with you.  I don't think you even  
>> looked at
>> Bricolage after Marc set it up.
>>
>> I also don't think you've evaluated "more time to implement" using  
>> valid
>> criteria.  If you do a custom CMS, you're going to need to  
>> impement all of
>> the common stuff yourself:
>> Authentication
>> User management (including "e-mail me my password, etc.")
>> Approval/rights structures
>> Versioning admin
>> Editors (inc. wyswyg and/or bbcode edit)
>> RSS
>> etc.
>> Did your really add up coding all of the above compared to  
>> customizing an
>> existing system?
>>
>> Again, I'm not trying to discourage you, but from my perspective  
>> half a
>> CMS
>> is worse than none.
>>
>> --Josh
>>
>> --
>> --Josh
>>
>> Josh Berkus
>> Aglio Database Solutions
>> San Francisco
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Gavin M. Roy
800 Pound Gorilla
gmr@ehpg.net