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To: Jan Wieck <[email protected]>
Cc: Scott Marlowe <[email protected]>
Cc: Jason McManus <[email protected]>
Cc: pgsql general <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Notes on converting from MySQL 5.0.x to PostgreSQL
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 22:00:47 -0400
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Alex
On 7/10/06, Jan Wieck <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> On 6/30/2006 11:12 AM, Scott Marlowe wrote:
> > I agree with Tom, nice notes. I noted a few minor issues that seem to
> > derive from a familiarity with MySQL. I'll put my corrections below...
> >
> > On Fri, 2006-06-30 at 08:17, Jason McManus wrote:
> >> On Converting from MySQL 5.0.x to PostgreSQL 8.1.x
> >> --------------------------------------------------
> >> Major differences I have noted:
> >> -------------------------------
> >>
> >> MySQL 5.0.x:
> >
> >> * Easy, built-in and extensive replication support.
> >
> > Not sure how extensive it is. It's basically synchronous single master
> > single slave, right? It is quite easy though.
>
> Last thing I heard was that MySQL still had only statement based
> replication and that it doesn't work together with some of the new
> enterprise features like triggers and stored procedures. Row level
> replication is on their TODO list and this major feature will probably
> appear in some minor 5.2.x release.
>
>
> Jan
>
>
> >
> >> PostgreSQL 8.1.x:
> >> * Embedded procedures in multiple native languages (stored procedures
> and
> >> functions can be written in native Perl, Python, Tcl, SQL, PL/PgSQL)
> >
> > Note that there are a dozen or more other languages as well. Just FYI.
> > Off the top of my head, plPHP, plJ (java there's two different java
> > implementations, I think) and plR (R is the open source equivalent of
> > the S statistics language)
> >
> >> * Replication support still rudimentary.
> >
> > Hmmmm. I think that's an overly simplistic evaluation. The slony
> > replication engine is actually VERY advanced, but the administrative
> > tools consist mostly of "your brain". hehe. That said, once you've
> > learned how to drive it, it's quite amazing. Keep in mind, slony can be
> > applied to a living database while it's running, and can run between
> > different major versions of postgresql. That's a pretty advanced
> > feature. Plus, if the replication daemons die (kill -9ed or whatever)
> > you can restart replication and slony will come right back where it was
> > and catch up.
> >
> >> Pointers, tips, quick facts and gotchas for other people converting:
> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >> * MySQL combines the concepts of 'database' and 'schema' into
> one. PostgreSQL
> >> differentiates the two. While the hierarchy in MySQL is
> >> database.table.field, PostgreSQL is roughly:
> database.schema.table.field.
> >> A schema is a 'logically grouped set of tables but still kept within
> a
> >> particular database.' This could allow separate applications to be
> built
> >> that still rely upon the same database, but can be kept somewhat
> logically
> >> separated. The default schema in each database is called 'public',
> and is
> >> the one referred to if no others are specified. This can be modified
> with
> >> 'SET search_path TO ...'.
> >
> > This is a VERY good analysis of the difference between the two
> > databases.
> >
> >> * Pg uses a 'template1' pseudo-database that can be tailored to provide
> >> default objects for new database creation, if you should desire. It
> >> obviously also offers a 'template0' database that is read-only and
> >> offers a barebones database, more equivalent to the empty db created
> with
> >> mysql's CREATE DATABASE statement.
> >
> > This isn't quite right.
> >
> > template0 is a locked and "pure" copy of the template database. It's
> > there for "break glass in case of emergency" use. :)
> >
> > template1, when you first initdb, is exactly the same as template0, but
> > you can connect to it, and alter it. Both of these are "real"
> > postgresql databases. template1 is the database that gets copied by
> > default when you do "create database". Note that you can also define a
> > different template database when running create database, which lets you
> > easily clone any database on your machine. "create database newdb with
> > template olddb"
> >
> >> * Pg uses the 'serial' column type instead of AUTO_INCREMENT. This
> allows
> >> more than one independent sequence to be specified per table (though
> the
> >> utility of this may be of dubious value). These are closer to
> Oracle's
> >> concept of sequence generators, and they can be manipulated with the
> >> currval(), nextval(), setval(), and lastval() functions.
> >
> > Don't forget 64bit bigserials too.
> >
> >> * Pg requires its tables and databases be 'vacuumed' regularly to
> remove
> >> completed transaction snapshots and optimize the tables on disk. It
> is
> >> necessary because the way that PostgreSQL implements true MVCC is by
> >> writing all temporary transactions to disk and setting a visibility
> >> flag for the record. Vacuuming can be performed automatically, and
> in
> >> a deferred manner by using vacuum_cost settings to limit it to
> low-load
> >> periods or based upon numerous other criteria. See the manual for
> more
> >> information.
> >
> > Interestingly enough, MySQL's innodb tables do almost the exact same
> > thing, but their vacuum process is wholly automated. Generally, this
> > means fewer issues pop up for the new dba, but when they do, they can be
> > a little harder to deal with. It's about a wash. Of course, as you
> > mentioned earlier, most mysql folks aren't using innodb.
> >
> >> * While MySQL supports transactions with the InnoDB databases, many
> MySQL
> >> users generally do not use them extensively enough. With Pg, due to
> the
> >> behaviour of the server in attempting to ensure data integrity in a
> >> variety of situations (client disconnection, network trouble, server
> >> crashes, etc.), it is highly advisable to become familiar and utilize
> >> transactions a lot more, to ensure your DATA is left in a consistent
> state
> >> before and after every change you wish to make.
> >
> > A point you might want to throw in here is that EVERYTHING in postgresql
> > is a transaction. If you don't issue a begin statement, then postgresql
> > runs each statement you type in inside its own transaction.
> >
> > This means that inserting 10,000 rows without wrapping them inside an
> > explicit transaction results in 10,000 individual transactions.
> >
> > However, the more interesting thing here, is that every statement,
> > including DDL is transactable, except for a couple of big odd ones, like
> > create database. So, in postgresql, you can do:
> >
> > begin;
> > create table xyz...
> > alter table abc...
> > insert into abc select * from iii
> > update iii...;
> > drop table iii;
> > (oops, I messed up something)
> > rollback;
> >
> > and there's no change and no lost data. Quite impressive actually.
> >
> >
> >> Common equivalents:
> >> -------------------
> >>
> >> MySQL PostgreSQL
> >> ----- -----------
> >> OPTIMIZE TABLE ... VACUUM ...
> >
> > vacuum and analyze for optimize I think. Also, possibly reindex,
> > although nominally that's the "sledge hammer" of optimization.
> >
> > One last thing I'd mention that I REALLY like about PostgreSQL over any
> > other database I've used is that the psql interface has a complete
> > syntax lookup feature that is WAY cool. \h brings it up, and \h COMMAND
> > where COMMAND is the command you want to look up will bring up the
> > syntax for your command.
> >
> > And, I hate the fact that CTRL-C in the mysql command line tool exits
> > the tool instead of interrupting the current query. In PostgreSQL it
> > interrupts the current query. CTRL-\ will kill the client if you need
> > to.
> >
> > Overall, a great review. Thanks.
> >
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