X-Original-To: pgsql-advocacy-postgresql.org@localhost.postgresql.org Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.204.2]) by svr1.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1833BD1B44C for ; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 14:20:28 -0300 (ADT) Received: from svr1.postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (neptune.hub.org [200.46.204.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 42553-05 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 14:20:26 -0300 (ADT) Received: from latenight.fiasco.org.il (latenight.fiasco.org.il [192.117.122.39]) by svr1.postgresql.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4CE38D1B47F for ; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 14:20:24 -0300 (ADT) Received: (qmail 3314 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2004 17:20:21 -0000 X-Scanned-By: AMaViS-ng at latenight.fiasco.org.il Received: from unknown (HELO shemesh.biz) (192.117.102.130) by latenight.fiasco.org.il with SMTP; 26 Apr 2004 17:20:16 -0000 Message-ID: <408D44CF.70804@shemesh.biz> Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 20:20:15 +0300 From: Shachar Shemesh Organization: Lingnu Open Source Consulting User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040413 Debian/1.6-5 X-Accept-Language: en, he MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Josh Berkus Cc: PostgreSQL-development , PostgreSQL advocacy Subject: Re: Do we prefer software that works or software References: <7305.1082779876@sss.pgh.pa.us> <4089F9ED.6000108@shemesh.biz> <200404261016.07903.josh@agliodbs.com> In-Reply-To: <200404261016.07903.josh@agliodbs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at postgresql.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 tagged_above=0.0 required=5.0 tests= X-Spam-Level: X-Archive-Number: 200405/2 X-Sequence-Number: 4278 Josh Berkus wrote: >Shachar, > > > >>Now, I'm intending to do the best I can on my end. This does have a >>pretty heavy cost. It means that the OLE DB driver will parse in details >>each query, and perform replacements on the query text. This is bug >>prone, difficult, hurts performance, and just plain wrong from a >>software design perspective. The current drift of wind, however, means >>that the PostgreSQL steering commite seems to prefer having a lesser >>quality driver to seeing ugly uppercase. >> >> > >Hey, now wait a minute. As far as I can tell, you've heard only from Tom >Lane on the steering committee (I may have missed some, though, I've been >sick) > Exactly. Of the people I heard from, the wind was against. > Unless the 5 of us take a vote, Tom Lane speaks for Tom Lane, not for >Core. Also, usually this list or Patches determines by consensus what gets >in; the Core only gets involved in very unusual cases. > > That's why we are holding an open thread on the "how" in "hackers". I'm assuming that once the "how" is sufficiently resolved, and the implications understood, everyone can make a better decision on the "do we at all". Shachar -- Shachar Shemesh Lingnu Open Source Consulting http://www.lingnu.com/