X-Original-To: pgsql-hackers-postgresql.org@localhost.postgresql.org Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.204.2]) by svr1.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12D7DD1B4A3 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 23:54:29 -0300 (ADT) Received: from svr1.postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (neptune.hub.org [200.46.204.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 36652-01 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 23:54:31 -0300 (ADT) Received: from seahorse.shentel.net (seahorse.shentel.net [204.111.11.44]) by svr1.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3945D1B49F for ; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 23:54:26 -0300 (ADT) Received: from shentel.net (ha30s004.d.shentel.net [204.111.23.4]) by seahorse.shentel.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i3S2sU422938 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 22:54:30 -0400 Message-ID: <408F1D40.50508@shentel.net> Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 22:56:00 -0400 From: Paul Tillotson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org Subject: Re: [pgsql-advocacy] What can we learn from MySQL? References: <200404230409.i3N49jC02890@candle.pha.pa.us> <4088B944.1050007@familyhealth.com.au> <20040423192730.GO41429@nasby.net> <408EBBA9.70709@travelamericas.com> In-Reply-To: <408EBBA9.70709@travelamericas.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at postgresql.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 tagged_above=0.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_SORBS X-Spam-Level: X-Archive-Number: 200404/979 X-Sequence-Number: 52901 On the other topics... >> I think the biggest service PGSQL could provide to the open source >> community is a resource that teaches people with no database experience >> the fundamentals of databases. If people had an understanding of what a >> RDBMS should be capable of and how it should be used, they wouldn't pick >> MySQL. >> >> > > I think that this is incredibly important. Many many developers > choose MySQL because MySQL really does make the effort in this > regard. This strategy has helped both MySQL and Red Hat become the > commercial successes they are today. I believe that postgres is making an effort here. I learned SQL from the postgres docs found in the first few chapters here: http://www.postgresql.org/docs/7.4/static/tutorial.html Those, in my opinion, are excellent, and were way more informative to me than anything on the MySQL website (I tried reading there first). Maybe we are aiming for users who had a clue quotient much lower than I, but those attain an excellent balance between too short and simple to be useful and too long and complicated. Paul Tillotson