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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 23:56:44 +0400
From: Alexey Borzov <borz_off@cs.msu.su>
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To: Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com>
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Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] PostgreSQL.org Design Proposal
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Hi,

Josh Berkus wrote:
>>Which is why we investigated CMSs in depths before we started, and found
>>that even advanced ones such as Bricolage couldn't meet our requirements
>>
>>:-(.
> 
> No offense, but nobody "investigated existing CMSes in depth", or if they did, 
> it was not discussed on WWW.    What happend in my recollection was that the 
> people who were in favor of CMSes (like me) were not willing/able to do the 
> work to set them up, and the people who liked a more nuts-and-bolts system 
> were willing to do the work, so that's what we went with.  The people who do 
> the work get to make the decisions on how it's to be done.
> 
> Bricolage, for example, runs the WHO web site, the Register, Radio Free Asia, 
> and and several other major, multi-lingual sites.  It is also designed for 
> mirroring, working on the idea of "burning" stuff to HTML files instead of 
> dynamically served content.     It's quite capable of doing PostgreSQL.org.   
> The problem is that it requires Perl Mason expertise to set up and design 
> pages, and our WWW team is primarily HTML and PHP coders.

Yes, exactly, so now we must choose between an ugly (I openly admit this) system 
  written in ugly PHP that *runs* the current development version of 
postgresql.org [1] (that BTW has some open TODO items [2]) and a wonderful 
state-of-the-art CMS written in magnificient Perl that could *potentially* run a 
splendid new postgresql.org, if only someone actually wanted to do some work 
instead of praising the virtues of that particular CMS.

Isn't the choice obvious? ;)

> Gavin Roy is currently working on a system, Framewerk, which may become a 
> better fit for our community once he gets export-to-static-html working.   
> Actually, we could probably use it for Techdocs right now.  

[1] http://wwwdevel.postgresql.org/
[2] http://wwwdevel.postgresql.org/todo