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From: Gavin M. Roy <[email protected]>
To: Bruce Momjian <[email protected]>
Cc: Alexey Borzov <[email protected]>
Cc: Josh Berkus <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
Cc: Omar Kilani <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [pgsql-advocacy] Alternate PostgreSQL.org Design
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 14:44:39 -0800
Message-ID: <[email protected]> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <[email protected]>
References: <[email protected]>

Honestly?  It's either the too many cooks problem, or the poor 
coordination, or the lack of a clear leader/decision maker.  It's hard 
for people who are not already involved intimately to get involved.  
It's hard to get other ideas floated without getting them shot down by 
one or two people, which seems to be the overall process killer in 
anything -www related.  It's hard to feel like people are working in the 
same direction when for language reasons or otherwise discussions turn 
derogatory, rude, and down right ugly.

I keep trying to stick my nose in to things because, at least people 
know who I am, and while not everyone agrees with me, I can at least try 
and do what I think we are all trying to do and that is make the best 
site for PostgreSQL which will impress people and be the valuable 
resource the existing site already is.

There is a lot of history in the way things are done.  People new to the 
project and people who weren't involved in the decisions made years ago 
about having sites like advocacy., developers., etc often feel out of 
the loop when they try and influence change.

We have many capable designers, developers, and webmasters here.  We 
need to find a way to work together and realize we're all ultimately 
working for the same goal.  Egos need to be put aside, and work needs to 
get done.

If I felt like there was a way to help get the site done that I could 
truly contribute to, other than offering opinions on direction and what 
not, I would be there doing it. 

Gavin

Bruce Momjian wrote:

>Alexey Borzov wrote:
>  
>
>>Hi,
>>
>>Bruce Momjian wrote:
>>    
>>
>>>Is the new website going to be rolled out in time for the 8.0 release,
>>>which could be in the next few weeks?
>>>      
>>>
>>No.
>>    
>>
>
>OK, fair enough.  Now can someone explain how we can put out a release
>evrery 8-12 months with 200-300 changes, some very complex, and we can't
>get a group together to update a web site?
>
>  
>

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