X-Original-To: pgsql-hackers-postgresql.org@postgresql.org Received: from localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.208.251]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54BBC9FA666 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:07:23 -0300 (ADT) Received: from postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.208.251]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07049-07 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:07:19 -0300 (ADT) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey- Received: from floppy.pyrenet.fr (floppy.pyrenet.fr [194.116.145.2]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A82E89FA4D9 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:07:18 -0300 (ADT) Received: by floppy.pyrenet.fr (Postfix, from userid 106) id 5653C30E1A; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 01:07:16 +0200 (MET DST) From: Lukas Kahwe Smith X-Newsgroups: pgsql.hackers Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] Developer's Wiki Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 01:07:16 +0200 Organization: Hub.Org Networking Services Lines: 42 Message-ID: <450C83A4.1010706@pooteeweet.org> References: <61929.69.197.146.229.1157340613.squirrel@69.197.146.229> <20060904061123.GA16894@svana.org> <200609161225.16961.josh@agliodbs.com> <877j03y50r.fsf@enterprisedb.com> <450C5E1D.2080704@commandprompt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.hub.org To: "Joshua D. Drake" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) In-Reply-To: <450C5E1D.2080704@commandprompt.com> To: pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org X-Virus-Scanned: Maia Mailguard 1.0.1 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.038 tagged_above=0 required=5 tests=AWL X-Spam-Level: X-Archive-Number: 200609/1391 X-Sequence-Number: 90920 Joshua D. Drake wrote: > Gregory Stark wrote: >> Josh Berkus writes: >> >>>> I was actually hoping for more feedback on the content itself. I'm >>>> still not clear if it's supposed to be "developers only - to the >>>> exclusion of users" or "developers only - but accessable to anyone". >>> It should be readable by everyone, but editable only by authorized >>> users. >> >> I think the lessons of wikipedia is precisely that you *don't* want to >> add >> such barriers. You want to let people add stuff pretty much freely. That >> encourages people to get involved and put up information. > > I don't agree, you should also look at the recent post and fork by one > of wikipedia's co-founders. The developers wiki should only be edited by > authorized users. > > Now, getting authorized should be easy as reasonably possible, but > having a wholesale editing orgy on the wiki responsible for tracking > postgresql developer information is not a good idea. I agree. Banning IPs is simply not feasible. I think a minor moderation step during the signup is little overhead and ensures we know who changed what etc. This is obviously not only important for blaming but also great for talking to people about a given page when it comes time to update it. I think however there should be a "section" that is free for all. It should be clearly labeled with parts are free for all and which are not. It should be easy to move pages from one section to the other and back. Essentially I would say the wiki should be open to anyone who signs up, however there should be pages that are only writeable to people inside a special group. I am not sure how the ACL works in the current wiki. SOme wikis allow you to define ACL's by page, some allow you to create subwikis with different ACLs etc. regards, Lukas