From jd@commandprompt.com Tue Jun 2 07:12:50 2026 Received: from localhost (maia-3.hub.org [200.46.204.184]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E15C9FBB72 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 15:07:47 -0400 (AST) Received: from postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.184]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 54521-04 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 15:07:35 -0400 (AST) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.4 Received: from lists.commandprompt.com (host-254.commandprompt.net [207.173.203.254]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F7819FB320 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 15:07:42 -0400 (AST) Received: from [192.168.1.50] (or-67-76-146-141.sta.embarqhsd.net [67.76.146.141]) (authenticated bits=0) by lists.commandprompt.com (8.13.7/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1RJ7hCF014935 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 11:07:44 -0800 Message-ID: <45E4819C.1030109@commandprompt.com> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 11:08:12 -0800 From: "Joshua D. Drake" Organization: Command Prompt, Inc. User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (X11/20070103) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: PostgreSQL WWW Subject: Second try for roadmap.html X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------010507090301080201070301" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on projects.commandprompt.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: Sender succeded SMTP AUTH authentication, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.6 (lists.commandprompt.com [192.168.2.159]); Tue, 27 Feb 2007 11:07:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Maia Mailguard 1.0.1 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.019 tagged_above=0 required=5 tests=AWL, BAYES_50, FORGED_RCVD_HELO X-Spam-Level: X-Archive-Number: 200702/279 X-Sequence-Number: 11684 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010507090301080201070301 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -- === The PostgreSQL Company: Command Prompt, Inc. === Sales/Support: +1.503.667.4564 || 24x7/Emergency: +1.800.492.2240 Providing the most comprehensive PostgreSQL solutions since 1997 http://www.commandprompt.com/ Donate to the PostgreSQL Project: http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate PostgreSQL Replication: http://www.commandprompt.com/products/ --------------010507090301080201070301 Content-Type: text/plain; name="roadmap.diff" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="roadmap.diff" Index: roadmap.html =================================================================== RCS file: /usr/local/cvsroot/pgweb/portal/template/en/developer/roadmap.html,v retrieving revision 1.8 diff -c -r1.8 roadmap.html *** roadmap.html 19 Oct 2006 01:32:36 -0000 1.8 --- roadmap.html 27 Feb 2007 19:05:28 -0000 *************** *** 5,19 ****

Roadmap

PostgreSQL is a non-commercial, all volunteer, free software project, and as such there is no formal list of ! feature requirements required for development. We really do follow the mantra of letting developers scratch their own itches.

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That said, there is an informal list of items that have been agreed upon by the PostgreSQL developers as things that need to - worked upon, known as the TODO list. Items on the list can be marked as - completed in development, "claimed" by a developer and being activly worked on, or unmarked meaning that the item is likely not - being activly worked on.

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There are also two lists for "unapplied patches" that have been submitted for inclusion into PostgreSQL, - one for the patches saved for the current release and one for - patches saved for the next release. Once a patch has been submitted - and saved in the queue, it is a good bet that the particular feature will make it into the appropriate release.

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Roadmap

PostgreSQL is a non-commercial, all volunteer, free software project, and as such there is no formal list of ! feature requirements required for development. However, we do try to adhere to a reasonable release schedule.

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Release Schedule

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  • March 31, 2007 - Feature Freeze
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  • May-June 2007 - Beta begins
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  • July-August 2007 - 8.3 Released
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  • September 2007 - 8.4 development begins
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  • March 31, 2008 Feature freeze for 8.4 (tentative)
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! ! ! ! --------------010507090301080201070301-- From josh@agliodbs.com Tue Jun 2 07:12:50 2026 Received: from localhost (maia-2.hub.org [200.46.204.187]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44F1C9FBBA5 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 20:06:53 -0400 (AST) Received: from postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.187]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17199-09 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 20:06:43 -0400 (AST) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.4 Received: from davinci.ethosmedia.com (server227.ethosmedia.com [209.128.84.227]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F11869FBC05 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 20:06:47 -0400 (AST) X-EthosMedia-Virus-Scanned: no infections found Received: from [63.195.55.98] (account josh@agliodbs.com HELO spooky.sf.agliodbs.com) by davinci.ethosmedia.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with ESMTP id 11535577; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 16:10:45 -0800 From: Josh Berkus Organization: PostgreSQL @ Sun To: pgsql-www@postgresql.org Subject: Re: Second try for roadmap.html Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 16:06:53 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.2 Cc: "Joshua D. Drake" References: <45E4819C.1030109@commandprompt.com> In-Reply-To: <45E4819C.1030109@commandprompt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200702271606.54067.josh@agliodbs.com> X-Virus-Scanned: Maia Mailguard 1.0.1 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.117 tagged_above=0 required=5 tests=AWL, BAYES_50, FORGED_RCVD_HELO X-Spam-Level: X-Archive-Number: 200702/286 X-Sequence-Number: 11691 Josh, > !
    > ! =C2=A0
  • March 31, 2007 - Feature Freeze
    • > ! =C2=A0
  • May-June 2007 - Beta begins
    • > ! =C2=A0
  • July-August 2007 - 8.3 Released
    • > ! =C2=A0
  • September 2007 - 8.4 development begins
    • > ! =C2=A0
  • March 31, 2008 =C2=A0Feature freeze for 8.4 (tentative)
    • > !
I don't think those release dates are realistic. 8.3 release would be Aug= ust=20 at the earliest, and more likely September or October. There's no reason t= o=20 confuse people with false expectations. =2D-=20 Josh Berkus PostgreSQL @ Sun San Francisco From jd@commandprompt.com Tue Jun 2 07:12:50 2026 Received: from localhost (maia-1.hub.org [200.46.204.191]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35E549FB2E0 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 20:20:53 -0400 (AST) Received: from postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.191]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 45992-06-3 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 20:20:48 -0400 (AST) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.4 Received: from lists.commandprompt.com (host-254.commandprompt.net [207.173.203.254]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5AA29FBC36 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 20:20:47 -0400 (AST) Received: from [192.168.1.50] (or-67-76-146-141.sta.embarqhsd.net [67.76.146.141]) (authenticated bits=0) by lists.commandprompt.com (8.13.7/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1S0KlKF024018 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 27 Feb 2007 16:20:48 -0800 Message-ID: <45E4CAFB.4030804@commandprompt.com> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 16:21:15 -0800 From: "Joshua D. Drake" Organization: Command Prompt, Inc. User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (X11/20070103) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Josh Berkus CC: pgsql-www@postgresql.org Subject: Re: Second try for roadmap.html References: <45E4819C.1030109@commandprompt.com> <200702271606.54067.josh@agliodbs.com> In-Reply-To: <200702271606.54067.josh@agliodbs.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on projects.commandprompt.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: Sender succeded SMTP AUTH authentication, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.6 (lists.commandprompt.com [192.168.2.159]); Tue, 27 Feb 2007 16:20:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Maia Mailguard 1.0.1 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.027 tagged_above=0 required=5 tests=AWL, BAYES_50, FORGED_RCVD_HELO X-Spam-Level: X-Archive-Number: 200702/287 X-Sequence-Number: 11692 Josh Berkus wrote: > Josh, > >> !
    >> !
  • March 31, 2007 - Feature Freeze
    • >> !
  • May-June 2007 - Beta begins
    • >> !
  • July-August 2007 - 8.3 Released
    • >> !
  • September 2007 - 8.4 development begins
    • >> !
  • March 31, 2008 Feature freeze for 8.4 (tentative)
    • >> !
> > I don't think those release dates are realistic. 8.3 release would be August > at the earliest, and more likely September or October. There's no reason to > confuse people with false expectations. If that is the case, we have likely solved nothing with our movement of the dates to have 8.3 be a short cycle release. I thought the whole goal was to try and release around july. Joshua D. Drake -- === The PostgreSQL Company: Command Prompt, Inc. === Sales/Support: +1.503.667.4564 || 24x7/Emergency: +1.800.492.2240 Providing the most comprehensive PostgreSQL solutions since 1997 http://www.commandprompt.com/ Donate to the PostgreSQL Project: http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate PostgreSQL Replication: http://www.commandprompt.com/products/ From josh@agliodbs.com Tue Jun 2 07:12:50 2026 Received: from localhost (maia-4.hub.org [200.46.204.183]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B878E9FB7EB for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 21:33:44 -0400 (AST) Received: from postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.183]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 56358-03-6 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 21:33:41 -0400 (AST) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.4 Received: from davinci.ethosmedia.com (server227.ethosmedia.com [209.128.84.227]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 379E39FBB9D for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 21:33:41 -0400 (AST) X-EthosMedia-Virus-Scanned: no infections found Received: from [63.195.55.98] (account josh@agliodbs.com HELO spooky.sf.agliodbs.com) by davinci.ethosmedia.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with ESMTP id 11536180; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 17:37:39 -0800 From: Josh Berkus Organization: PostgreSQL @ Sun To: pgsql-www@postgresql.org Subject: Re: Second try for roadmap.html Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 17:33:48 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.2 Cc: "Joshua D. Drake" References: <45E4819C.1030109@commandprompt.com> <200702271606.54067.josh@agliodbs.com> <45E4CAFB.4030804@commandprompt.com> In-Reply-To: <45E4CAFB.4030804@commandprompt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200702271733.48168.josh@agliodbs.com> X-Virus-Scanned: Maia Mailguard 1.0.1 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.126 tagged_above=0 required=5 tests=AWL, BAYES_50, FORGED_RCVD_HELO X-Spam-Level: X-Archive-Number: 200702/288 X-Sequence-Number: 11693 Josh, > If that is the case, we have likely solved nothing with our movement of > the dates to have 8.3 be a short cycle release. The point was to move the ingration/patch review period, which we have. Any move-up of the actual release date is incidental. > I thought the whole goal was to try and release around july. No, what gave you that idea? When have we *ever* done a 1-month beta? If there are absolutely no beta issues we can do another 8.1 and release at OSCON or something. But with invasive changes like HOT a probable submission for 8.3, a short beta seems very optimistic. -- Josh Berkus PostgreSQL @ Sun San Francisco From xzilla@users.sourceforge.net Tue Jun 2 07:12:50 2026 Received: from localhost (maia-1.hub.org [200.46.204.191]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DA099FB857 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 22:06:54 -0400 (AST) Received: from postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.191]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 97838-03 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 22:06:51 -0400 (AST) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.4 Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FAEB9FB33D for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 22:06:51 -0400 (AST) Received: from new-host.home ([71.166.59.121]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JE5002PUHUP8C86@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for pgsql-www@postgresql.org; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 20:06:26 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 21:06:10 -0500 From: Robert Treat Subject: Re: Second try for roadmap.html In-reply-to: <200702271733.48168.josh@agliodbs.com> To: pgsql-www@postgresql.org Cc: Josh Berkus , "Joshua D. Drake" Message-id: <200702272106.10543.xzilla@users.sourceforge.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline References: <45E4819C.1030109@commandprompt.com> <45E4CAFB.4030804@commandprompt.com> <200702271733.48168.josh@agliodbs.com> User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 X-Virus-Scanned: Maia Mailguard 1.0.1 X-Archive-Number: 200702/289 X-Sequence-Number: 11694 On Tuesday 27 February 2007 20:33, Josh Berkus wrote: > Josh, > > > If that is the case, we have likely solved nothing with our movement of > > the dates to have 8.3 be a short cycle release. > > The point was to move the ingration/patch review period, which we have. > Any move-up of the actual release date is incidental. > > > I thought the whole goal was to try and release around july. > > No, what gave you that idea? When have we *ever* done a 1-month beta? > > If there are absolutely no beta issues we can do another 8.1 and release at > OSCON or something. But with invasive changes like HOT a probable > submission for 8.3, a short beta seems very optimistic. If feature freeze is April 1st, and OSCon is July 24th, thats around 4 months to get the release done. Given how things like the buildfarm. and our theory that the new timeframe should help shorten the release process, I don't think this is that unrealistic. -- Robert Treat Build A Brighter LAMP :: Linux Apache {middleware} PostgreSQL From jd@commandprompt.com Tue Jun 2 07:12:50 2026 Received: from localhost (maia-2.hub.org [200.46.204.187]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 699A69FB31A for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 23:03:03 -0400 (AST) Received: from postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.187]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 55799-06 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 23:02:53 -0400 (AST) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.4 Received: from lists.commandprompt.com (host-254.commandprompt.net [207.173.203.254]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C07DF9FB2B2 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 23:02:59 -0400 (AST) Received: from [192.168.1.50] (or-67-76-146-141.sta.embarqhsd.net [67.76.146.141]) (authenticated bits=0) by lists.commandprompt.com (8.13.7/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1S330YQ027958 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 27 Feb 2007 19:03:00 -0800 Message-ID: <45E4F0FB.7030303@commandprompt.com> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 19:03:23 -0800 From: "Joshua D. Drake" Organization: Command Prompt, Inc. User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (X11/20070103) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Treat CC: pgsql-www@postgresql.org, Josh Berkus Subject: Re: Second try for roadmap.html References: <45E4819C.1030109@commandprompt.com> <45E4CAFB.4030804@commandprompt.com> <200702271733.48168.josh@agliodbs.com> <200702272106.10543.xzilla@users.sourceforge.net> In-Reply-To: <200702272106.10543.xzilla@users.sourceforge.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on projects.commandprompt.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: Sender succeded SMTP AUTH authentication, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.6 (lists.commandprompt.com [192.168.2.159]); Tue, 27 Feb 2007 19:03:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Maia Mailguard 1.0.1 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.034 tagged_above=0 required=5 tests=AWL, BAYES_50, FORGED_RCVD_HELO X-Spam-Level: X-Archive-Number: 200702/290 X-Sequence-Number: 11695 Robert Treat wrote: > On Tuesday 27 February 2007 20:33, Josh Berkus wrote: >> Josh, >> >>> If that is the case, we have likely solved nothing with our movement of >>> the dates to have 8.3 be a short cycle release. >> The point was to move the ingration/patch review period, which we have. >> Any move-up of the actual release date is incidental. >> >>> I thought the whole goal was to try and release around july. >> No, what gave you that idea? When have we *ever* done a 1-month beta? >> >> If there are absolutely no beta issues we can do another 8.1 and release at >> OSCON or something. But with invasive changes like HOT a probable >> submission for 8.3, a short beta seems very optimistic. > > If feature freeze is April 1st, and OSCon is July 24th, thats around 4 months > to get the release done. Given how things like the buildfarm. and our theory > that the new timeframe should help shorten the release process, I don't think > this is that unrealistic. That is kind of what I thought. Joshua D. Drake -- === The PostgreSQL Company: Command Prompt, Inc. === Sales/Support: +1.503.667.4564 || 24x7/Emergency: +1.800.492.2240 Providing the most comprehensive PostgreSQL solutions since 1997 http://www.commandprompt.com/ Donate to the PostgreSQL Project: http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate PostgreSQL Replication: http://www.commandprompt.com/products/ From tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us Tue Jun 2 07:12:50 2026 Received: from localhost (maia-3.hub.org [200.46.204.184]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76E809FBC4B for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 02:09:54 -0400 (AST) Received: from postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.184]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 77312-08 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 02:09:37 -0400 (AST) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.4 Received: from sss.pgh.pa.us (sss.pgh.pa.us [66.207.139.130]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ECCC9FBC5F for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 02:09:47 -0400 (AST) Received: from sss2.sss.pgh.pa.us (tgl@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sss.pgh.pa.us (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1S69gFU026133; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 01:09:42 -0500 (EST) To: "Joshua D. Drake" cc: Robert Treat , pgsql-www@postgresql.org, Josh Berkus Subject: Re: Second try for roadmap.html In-reply-to: <45E4F0FB.7030303@commandprompt.com> References: <45E4819C.1030109@commandprompt.com> <45E4CAFB.4030804@commandprompt.com> <200702271733.48168.josh@agliodbs.com> <200702272106.10543.xzilla@users.sourceforge.net> <45E4F0FB.7030303@commandprompt.com> Comments: In-reply-to "Joshua D. Drake" message dated "Tue, 27 Feb 2007 19:03:23 -0800" Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 01:09:42 -0500 Message-ID: <26132.1172642982@sss.pgh.pa.us> From: Tom Lane X-Virus-Scanned: Maia Mailguard 1.0.1 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.058 tagged_above=0 required=5 tests=AWL, BAYES_50, SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS X-Spam-Level: X-Archive-Number: 200702/291 X-Sequence-Number: 11696 "Joshua D. Drake" writes: > Robert Treat wrote: >>>> If that is the case, we have likely solved nothing with our movement of >>>> the dates to have 8.3 be a short cycle release. >> If feature freeze is April 1st, and OSCon is July 24th, thats around >> 4 months to get the release done. Given how things like the >> buildfarm. and our theory that the new timeframe should help shorten >> the release process, I don't think this is that unrealistic. > That is kind of what I thought. Josh is nowhere in line with what I thought the plan was. We're busting our butts to have a short release cycle, and then we're going to piss it all away after feature freeze? Nope. I thought we were hoping for release June-ish, or worst case July-ish. A short devel cycle should not need a slow test cycle. regards, tom lane From jd@commandprompt.com Tue Jun 2 07:12:50 2026 Received: from localhost (maia-2.hub.org [200.46.204.187]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29E9B9FBAE7 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 02:36:14 -0400 (AST) Received: from postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.187]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20856-06 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 02:36:08 -0400 (AST) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.4 Received: from lists.commandprompt.com (host-254.commandprompt.net [207.173.203.254]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E71719FBAB2 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 02:36:09 -0400 (AST) Received: from [192.168.1.50] (or-67-76-146-141.sta.embarqhsd.net [67.76.146.141]) (authenticated bits=0) by lists.commandprompt.com (8.13.7/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1S6a8WQ000653 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 27 Feb 2007 22:36:09 -0800 Message-ID: <45E522EF.7020403@commandprompt.com> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 22:36:31 -0800 From: "Joshua D. Drake" Organization: Command Prompt, Inc. User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (X11/20070103) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Lane CC: Robert Treat , pgsql-www@postgresql.org, Josh Berkus Subject: Re: Second try for roadmap.html References: <45E4819C.1030109@commandprompt.com> <45E4CAFB.4030804@commandprompt.com> <200702271733.48168.josh@agliodbs.com> <200702272106.10543.xzilla@users.sourceforge.net> <45E4F0FB.7030303@commandprompt.com> <26132.1172642982@sss.pgh.pa.us> In-Reply-To: <26132.1172642982@sss.pgh.pa.us> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on projects.commandprompt.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: Sender succeded SMTP AUTH authentication, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.6 (lists.commandprompt.com [192.168.2.159]); Tue, 27 Feb 2007 22:36:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Maia Mailguard 1.0.1 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.042 tagged_above=0 required=5 tests=AWL, BAYES_50, FORGED_RCVD_HELO X-Spam-Level: X-Archive-Number: 200702/292 X-Sequence-Number: 11697 Tom Lane wrote: > "Joshua D. Drake" writes: >> Robert Treat wrote: >>>>> If that is the case, we have likely solved nothing with our movement of >>>>> the dates to have 8.3 be a short cycle release. > >>> If feature freeze is April 1st, and OSCon is July 24th, thats around >>> 4 months to get the release done. Given how things like the >>> buildfarm. and our theory that the new timeframe should help shorten >>> the release process, I don't think this is that unrealistic. > >> That is kind of what I thought. > > Josh is nowhere in line with what I thought the plan was. We're busting > our butts to have a short release cycle, and then we're going to piss it > all away after feature freeze? Nope. I thought we were hoping for > release June-ish, or worst case July-ish. A short devel cycle should > not need a slow test cycle. O.k. good, that is what I thought as well. I have actually been kind of betting on a 8.3 release for OSCON. Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake > > regards, tom lane > -- === The PostgreSQL Company: Command Prompt, Inc. === Sales/Support: +1.503.667.4564 || 24x7/Emergency: +1.800.492.2240 Providing the most comprehensive PostgreSQL solutions since 1997 http://www.commandprompt.com/ Donate to the PostgreSQL Project: http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate PostgreSQL Replication: http://www.commandprompt.com/products/ From magnus@hagander.net Tue Jun 2 07:12:50 2026 Received: from localhost (maia-4.hub.org [200.46.204.183]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0146D9FB309 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 09:07:15 -0400 (AST) Received: from postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.183]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18656-09 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 09:07:02 -0400 (AST) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.4 Received: from svr2.hagander.net (svr2.hagander.net [88.198.128.226]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3165E9FB251 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 09:07:02 -0400 (AST) Received: from svr2.hagander.net (svr2.hagander.net [88.198.128.226]) by svr2.hagander.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DCCFDCC3DC; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 14:07:00 +0100 (CET) Received: by svr2.hagander.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 28B72DCC545; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 14:07:00 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 14:07:00 +0100 From: Magnus Hagander To: "Joshua D. Drake" Cc: PostgreSQL WWW Subject: Re: Second try for roadmap.html Message-ID: <20070305130700.GB15483@svr2.hagander.net> References: <45E4819C.1030109@commandprompt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <45E4819C.1030109@commandprompt.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: Maia Mailguard 1.0.1 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.063 tagged_above=0 required=5 tests=AWL, BAYES_50 X-Spam-Level: X-Archive-Number: 200703/3 X-Sequence-Number: 11700 On Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 11:08:12AM -0800, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > > -- > > Index: roadmap.html I assume these changes are either incorporated in or obsoleted by the stuff that xzilla committed? (the developer parts, that is) //Magnus From xzilla@users.sourceforge.net Tue Jun 2 07:12:50 2026 Received: from localhost (maia-2.hub.org [200.46.204.187]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A5D29FB31B for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 09:44:26 -0400 (AST) Received: from postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.187]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31183-08 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 09:44:14 -0400 (AST) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.4 Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 195709FB20E for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 09:44:20 -0400 (AST) Received: from new-host.home ([71.166.59.121]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JEF00EMGNHEYKE9@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for pgsql-www@postgresql.org; Mon, 05 Mar 2007 07:44:03 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 08:43:35 -0500 From: Robert Treat Subject: Re: Second try for roadmap.html In-reply-to: <20070305130700.GB15483@svr2.hagander.net> To: pgsql-www@postgresql.org Cc: Magnus Hagander , "Joshua D. Drake" Message-id: <200703050843.35964.xzilla@users.sourceforge.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline References: <45E4819C.1030109@commandprompt.com> <20070305130700.GB15483@svr2.hagander.net> User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 X-Virus-Scanned: Maia Mailguard 1.0.1 X-Archive-Number: 200703/5 X-Sequence-Number: 11702 On Monday 05 March 2007 08:07, Magnus Hagander wrote: > On Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 11:08:12AM -0800, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > > -- > > > > > > Index: roadmap.html > > > > I assume these changes are either incorporated in or obsoleted by the > stuff that xzilla committed? > > (the developer parts, that is) > I think my update incorporates most of the ideas mention in the various threads, though I'd still like to see the write up on how the postgresql development process works. I'd probably add that under the main developer section though. -- Robert Treat Build A Brighter LAMP :: Linux Apache {middleware} PostgreSQL From jd@commandprompt.com Tue Jun 2 07:12:50 2026 Received: from localhost (maia-4.hub.org [200.46.204.183]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D21329FB225 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 21:15:26 -0400 (AST) Received: from postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.183]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 99572-09 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 21:15:24 -0400 (AST) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.4 Received: from lists.commandprompt.com (host-254.commandprompt.net [207.173.203.254]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9931C9FB224 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 21:15:23 -0400 (AST) Received: from [172.20.101.163] ([12.169.47.3]) (authenticated bits=0) by lists.commandprompt.com (8.13.7/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l261FKs9019246; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 17:15:24 -0800 Message-ID: <45ECC0A6.8020807@commandprompt.com> Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 17:15:18 -0800 From: "Joshua D. Drake" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Magnus Hagander CC: PostgreSQL WWW Subject: Re: Second try for roadmap.html References: <45E4819C.1030109@commandprompt.com> <20070305130700.GB15483@svr2.hagander.net> In-Reply-To: <20070305130700.GB15483@svr2.hagander.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on projects.commandprompt.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: Sender succeded SMTP AUTH authentication, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.6 (lists.commandprompt.com [192.168.2.159]); Mon, 05 Mar 2007 17:15:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Maia Mailguard 1.0.1 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.381 tagged_above=0 required=5 tests=AWL, BAYES_50, FORGED_RCVD_HELO X-Spam-Level: X-Archive-Number: 200703/9 X-Sequence-Number: 11706 > > I assume these changes are either incorporated in or obsoleted by the > stuff that xzilla committed? > > (the developer parts, that is) > Well except that the dates on the current (xzilla's commit) are wrong. Joshua D. Drake > //Magnus > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 5: don't forget to increase your free space map settings > > From bruce@momjian.us Tue Jun 2 07:12:50 2026 Received: from localhost (maia-4.hub.org [200.46.204.183]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E61869FA5A0 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 21:31:50 -0400 (AST) Received: from postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.183]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04947-02 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 21:31:49 -0400 (AST) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.4 Received: from momjian.us (momjian.us [70.90.9.53]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37EB69FA4B4 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 21:31:48 -0400 (AST) Received: (from bruce@localhost) by momjian.us (8.11.6/8.11.6) id l261Vki26059; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 20:31:46 -0500 (EST) From: Bruce Momjian Message-Id: <200703060131.l261Vki26059@momjian.us> Subject: Re: Second try for roadmap.html In-Reply-To: <45ECC0A6.8020807@commandprompt.com> To: "Joshua D. Drake" Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 20:31:46 -0500 (EST) CC: Magnus Hagander , PostgreSQL WWW X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL123] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Virus-Scanned: Maia Mailguard 1.0.1 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.074 tagged_above=0 required=5 tests=AWL, BAYES_50, SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS X-Spam-Level: X-Archive-Number: 200703/10 X-Sequence-Number: 11707 Joshua D. Drake wrote: > > > > I assume these changes are either incorporated in or obsoleted by the > > stuff that xzilla committed? > > > > (the developer parts, that is) > > > Well except that the dates on the current (xzilla's commit) are wrong. > > Joshua D. Drake Yep, I see that now. Please use only this:
  • March 1, 2007 - Initial community review of all major feature patches
  • April 1, 2007 - Feature freeze, all patches must be submitted for review and application
  • mid-May, 2007 - All patches applied, beta testing begins
  • July, 2007 - Release of 8.3.0
    • I am a little disturbed people feel free to make up dates with no discussion. -- Bruce Momjian http://momjian.us EnterpriseDB http://www.enterprisedb.com + If your life is a hard drive, Christ can be your backup. + From jd@commandprompt.com Tue Jun 2 07:12:50 2026 Received: from localhost (maia-4.hub.org [200.46.204.183]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C8D09FB4F7 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 21:35:26 -0400 (AST) Received: from postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.183]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05898-05 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 21:35:24 -0400 (AST) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.4 Received: from lists.commandprompt.com (host-254.commandprompt.net [207.173.203.254]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 756E99FB1BB for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 21:35:23 -0400 (AST) Received: from [172.20.101.163] ([12.169.47.3]) (authenticated bits=0) by lists.commandprompt.com (8.13.7/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l261ZG1T020024; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 17:35:17 -0800 Message-ID: <45ECC551.9090402@commandprompt.com> Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 17:35:13 -0800 From: "Joshua D. Drake" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bruce Momjian CC: Magnus Hagander , PostgreSQL WWW Subject: Re: Second try for roadmap.html References: <200703060131.l261Vki26059@momjian.us> In-Reply-To: <200703060131.l261Vki26059@momjian.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on projects.commandprompt.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: Sender succeded SMTP AUTH authentication, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.6 (lists.commandprompt.com [192.168.2.159]); Mon, 05 Mar 2007 17:35:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Maia Mailguard 1.0.1 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.342 tagged_above=0 required=5 tests=AWL, BAYES_50, FORGED_RCVD_HELO X-Spam-Level: X-Archive-Number: 200703/11 X-Sequence-Number: 11708 > > Yep, I see that now. Please use only this: > >
  • March 1, 2007 - Initial community review of all major feature patches
    • >
  • April 1, 2007 - Feature freeze, all patches must be submitted for review and application
    • >
  • mid-May, 2007 - All patches applied, beta testing begins
    • >
  • July, 2007 - Release of 8.3.0
    • > > I am a little disturbed people feel free to make up dates with no > discussion. > So there is no confusion, it is my understanding that this has always been the plan. Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake From xzilla@users.sourceforge.net Tue Jun 2 07:12:50 2026 Received: from localhost (maia-4.hub.org [200.46.204.183]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37B879FB8AF for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 15:32:27 -0400 (AST) Received: from postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.183]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 41792-01-8 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 15:32:16 -0400 (AST) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.4 Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79B5B9FBAD0 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 15:31:05 -0400 (AST) Received: from new-host.home ([71.166.59.121]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JEH00L9NY76Q3ID@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for pgsql-www@postgresql.org; Tue, 06 Mar 2007 13:30:43 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 14:30:16 -0500 From: Robert Treat Subject: Re: Second try for roadmap.html In-reply-to: <45ECC551.9090402@commandprompt.com> To: pgsql-www@postgresql.org Cc: "Joshua D. Drake" , Bruce Momjian , Magnus Hagander Message-id: <200703061430.16427.xzilla@users.sourceforge.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline References: <200703060131.l261Vki26059@momjian.us> <45ECC551.9090402@commandprompt.com> User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 X-Virus-Scanned: Maia Mailguard 1.0.1 X-Archive-Number: 200703/12 X-Sequence-Number: 11709 On Monday 05 March 2007 20:35, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > > Yep, I see that now. Please use only this: > > > >
  • March 1, 2007 - Initial community review of all major feature > > patches
  • April 1, 2007 - Feature freeze, all patches must be > > submitted for review and application
  • mid-May, 2007 - All patches > > applied, beta testing begins
  • July, 2007 - Release of 8.3.0
    • > > > > I am a little disturbed people feel free to make up dates with no > > discussion. > Quite frankly I'm a little upset that you would bandy about such statements so casually. If that was directed at me, may I politley suggest you sod off. > So there is no confusion, it is my understanding that this has always > been the plan. > So there is even less confusion, let people be aware that I copy/pasted those dates from the email that Joshua sent originally: http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-www/2007-02/msg00278.php. In the thread that follows no one offers a specific corrected timeline and Tom even wieghs in with what would appear to be acceptence of the timeline Joshua presented. I've corrected the timeline in cvs and it will appear in the next site update, hopefully we can all move on... -- Robert Treat Build A Brighter LAMP :: Linux Apache {middleware} PostgreSQL From jd@commandprompt.com Tue Jun 2 07:12:50 2026 Received: from localhost (maia-2.hub.org [200.46.204.187]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32B979FB254 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 18:02:37 -0400 (AST) Received: from postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.187]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27813-05 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 18:02:30 -0400 (AST) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.4 Received: from lists.commandprompt.com (host-254.commandprompt.net [207.173.203.254]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31D2C9FA4D1 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 18:02:33 -0400 (AST) Received: from [172.20.101.163] ([12.169.47.3]) (authenticated bits=0) by lists.commandprompt.com (8.13.7/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l26M2Brt024057; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 14:02:15 -0800 Message-ID: <45EDE4E2.8090003@commandprompt.com> Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 14:02:10 -0800 From: "Joshua D. Drake" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Treat CC: pgsql-www@postgresql.org, Bruce Momjian , Magnus Hagander Subject: Re: Second try for roadmap.html References: <200703060131.l261Vki26059@momjian.us> <45ECC551.9090402@commandprompt.com> <200703061430.16427.xzilla@users.sourceforge.net> In-Reply-To: <200703061430.16427.xzilla@users.sourceforge.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on projects.commandprompt.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: Sender succeded SMTP AUTH authentication, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.6 (lists.commandprompt.com [192.168.2.159]); Tue, 06 Mar 2007 14:02:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Maia Mailguard 1.0.1 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.167 tagged_above=0 required=5 tests=AWL, BAYES_40, FORGED_RCVD_HELO X-Spam-Level: X-Archive-Number: 200703/13 X-Sequence-Number: 11710 Robert Treat wrote: > On Monday 05 March 2007 20:35, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > >>> Yep, I see that now. Please use only this: >>> >>>
  • March 1, 2007 - Initial community review of all major feature >>> patches
  • April 1, 2007 - Feature freeze, all patches must be >>> submitted for review and application
  • mid-May, 2007 - All patches >>> applied, beta testing begins
  • July, 2007 - Release of 8.3.0
    • >>> >>> I am a little disturbed people feel free to make up dates with no >>> discussion. >>> > > Quite frankly I'm a little upset that you would bandy about such statements so > casually. If that was directed at me, may I politley suggest you sod off. > I don't think it was directed at you. > So there is even less confusion, let people be aware that I copy/pasted those > dates from the email that Joshua sent originally: > http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-www/2007-02/msg00278.php. In the thread > that follows no one offers a specific corrected timeline and Tom even wieghs > in with what would appear to be acceptence of the timeline Joshua presented. > I think you are confusing my timelime with JoshB's timeline. My timeline showed us releasing in June or July. Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake > I've corrected the timeline in cvs and it will appear in the next site update, > hopefully we can all move on... > > From xzilla@users.sourceforge.net Tue Jun 2 07:12:50 2026 Received: from localhost (maia-1.hub.org [200.46.204.191]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E2C99FB56F for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 18:59:44 -0400 (AST) Received: from postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.191]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 56578-09 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 18:59:40 -0400 (AST) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.4 Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2031C9FB538 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 18:59:40 -0400 (AST) Received: from new-host.home ([71.166.59.121]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JEI00IKY7V5CAI1@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for pgsql-www@postgresql.org; Tue, 06 Mar 2007 16:59:30 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 17:59:02 -0500 From: Robert Treat Subject: Re: Second try for roadmap.html In-reply-to: <45EDE4E2.8090003@commandprompt.com> To: "Joshua D. Drake" Cc: pgsql-www@postgresql.org, Bruce Momjian , Magnus Hagander Message-id: <200703061759.03289.xzilla@users.sourceforge.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline References: <200703060131.l261Vki26059@momjian.us> <200703061430.16427.xzilla@users.sourceforge.net> <45EDE4E2.8090003@commandprompt.com> User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 X-Virus-Scanned: Maia Mailguard 1.0.1 X-Archive-Number: 200703/14 X-Sequence-Number: 11711 ...fights... urge... to... respond... On Tuesday 06 March 2007 17:02, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > Robert Treat wrote: > > So there is even less confusion, let people be aware that I copy/pasted > > those dates from the email that Joshua sent originally: > > http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-www/2007-02/msg00278.php. In the > > thread that follows no one offers a specific corrected timeline and Tom > > even wieghs in with what would appear to be acceptence of the timeline > > Joshua presented. > > I think you are confusing my timelime with JoshB's timeline. My timeline > showed us releasing in June or July. > Here is a link to the patch you posted: http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-www/2007-02/msg00278.php Here is my commit which includes those same dates: http://gborg.postgresql.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/portal/template/en/developer/roadmap.html.diff?r1=1.8;r2=1.9;cvsroot=pgweb Here is you saying that what I committed was incorrect: http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-www/2007-03/msg00008.php Not sure what else to add to this... -- Robert Treat Build A Brighter LAMP :: Linux Apache {middleware} PostgreSQL From jd@commandprompt.com Tue Jun 2 07:12:50 2026 Received: from localhost (maia-1.hub.org [200.46.204.191]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BAF49FB35D for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 20:56:57 -0400 (AST) Received: from postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.191]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 77669-03 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 20:56:51 -0400 (AST) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.4 Received: from lists.commandprompt.com (host-254.commandprompt.net [207.173.203.254]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCA869FB2C1 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 20:56:50 -0400 (AST) Received: from [172.20.101.163] ([12.169.47.3]) (authenticated bits=0) by lists.commandprompt.com (8.13.7/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l270uXc7028475; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 16:56:38 -0800 Message-ID: <45EE0DBE.7000708@commandprompt.com> Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 16:56:30 -0800 From: "Joshua D. Drake" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Treat CC: pgsql-www@postgresql.org, Bruce Momjian , Magnus Hagander Subject: Re: Second try for roadmap.html References: <200703060131.l261Vki26059@momjian.us> <200703061430.16427.xzilla@users.sourceforge.net> <45EDE4E2.8090003@commandprompt.com> <200703061759.03289.xzilla@users.sourceforge.net> In-Reply-To: <200703061759.03289.xzilla@users.sourceforge.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on projects.commandprompt.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: Sender succeded SMTP AUTH authentication, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.6 (lists.commandprompt.com [192.168.2.159]); Tue, 06 Mar 2007 16:56:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Maia Mailguard 1.0.1 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.149 tagged_above=0 required=5 tests=AWL, BAYES_40, FORGED_RCVD_HELO X-Spam-Level: X-Archive-Number: 200703/15 X-Sequence-Number: 11712 > > Here is a link to the patch you posted: > http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-www/2007-02/msg00278.php > > Here is my commit which includes those same dates: > http://gborg.postgresql.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/portal/template/en/developer/roadmap.html.diff?r1=1.8;r2=1.9;cvsroot=pgweb > > Here is you saying that what I committed was incorrect: > http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-www/2007-03/msg00008.php > > Not sure what else to add to this... > Heh nothing. I think what I "read" was JoshB's dates which were clearly wrong. I apologize if that is the case. I am out of town and thus may not be paying as close attention as I should. The current update looks good, thanks Robert. Joshua D. Drake From bruce@momjian.us Tue Jun 2 07:12:50 2026 Received: from localhost (maia-2.hub.org [200.46.204.187]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 236749FBA4E for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 16:31:21 -0300 (ADT) Received: from postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.187]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07638-05 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 16:31:09 -0300 (ADT) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.4 Received: from momjian.us (momjian.us [70.90.9.53]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 285569FB462 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 16:31:14 -0300 (ADT) Received: (from bruce@localhost) by momjian.us (8.11.6/8.11.6) id l2KJUre08585; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 15:30:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Bruce Momjian Message-Id: <200703201930.l2KJUre08585@momjian.us> Subject: Re: Second try for roadmap.html In-Reply-To: <45EE0DBE.7000708@commandprompt.com> To: "Joshua D. Drake" Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 15:30:53 -0400 (EDT) CC: Robert Treat , pgsql-www@postgresql.org, Magnus Hagander X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL123] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Virus-Scanned: Maia Mailguard 1.0.1 X-Archive-Number: 200703/44 X-Sequence-Number: 11741 Joshua D. Drake wrote: > > > > Here is a link to the patch you posted: > > http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-www/2007-02/msg00278.php > > > > Here is my commit which includes those same dates: > > http://gborg.postgresql.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/portal/template/en/developer/roadmap.html.diff?r1=1.8;r2=1.9;cvsroot=pgweb > > > > Here is you saying that what I committed was incorrect: > > http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-www/2007-03/msg00008.php > > > > Not sure what else to add to this... > > > Heh nothing. I think what I "read" was JoshB's dates which were clearly > wrong. I apologize if that is the case. I am out of town and thus > may not be paying as close attention as I should. The current update > looks good, thanks Robert. Now that I am back from vacation, I wanted to clarify my "concern" on this issue. I wasn't worried about any individuals involved. I know everyone is doing the best they can. I was concerned whether we had an adequate process in place. For example, should we be supplying patches to the www team so the changes we want are clearer? I certainly would not make complex changes to the C code based on instructions like "Add a variable to the top of function X". Anyway, it seems the people involved feel we don't need to change the process, so I will go back to not being concerned. -- Bruce Momjian http://momjian.us EnterpriseDB http://www.enterprisedb.com + If your life is a hard drive, Christ can be your backup. +