Received: from localhost (maia-5.hub.org [200.46.204.182]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8596B9FB4EC for ; Thu, 3 May 2007 11:28:54 -0300 (ADT) Received: from postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.182]) (amavisd-maia, port 10024) with ESMTP id 60871-09 for ; Thu, 3 May 2007 11:28:45 -0300 (ADT) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.5 Received: from community1.commandprompt.com (host-254.commandprompt.net [207.173.203.254]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 706F59FB2FC for ; Thu, 3 May 2007 11:28:51 -0300 (ADT) Received: from [192.168.10.103] (cpe-075-177-135-163.nc.res.rr.com [75.177.135.163]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by community1.commandprompt.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 755F51A3900; Thu, 3 May 2007 07:28:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4639F19F.8030500@dunslane.net> Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 10:28:47 -0400 From: Andrew Dunstan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.8.0.10) Gecko/20070301 Fedora/1.0.8-0.6.2.fc6 pango-text SeaMonkey/1.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bruce Momjian CC: Csaba Nagy , Josh Berkus , postgres hackers Subject: Re: Feature freeze progress report References: <200705031151.l43BpIf25652@momjian.us> In-Reply-To: <200705031151.l43BpIf25652@momjian.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Maia Mailguard 1.0.1 X-Archive-Number: 200705/179 X-Sequence-Number: 102781 Bruce Momjian wrote: > Csaba Nagy wrote: > >>> We have _ample_ evidence that the problem is lack of people able to >>> review patches, and yet there is this discussion to track patches >>> better. It reminds me of someone who has lost their keys in an alley, >>> but is looking for them in the street because the light is better there. >>> >> Bruce, I guess the analogy fails on the fact that you're not looking for >> a key, but for people, and I thought "better light" will attract people >> to find you instead of you to need to search... >> > > I believe the problem is not that there isn't enough information, but > not enough people able to do the work. Seeking solutions in areas that > aren't helping was the illustration. > > There are multiple problems. Of course no amount of technology will provide us with a bigger pool of qualified reviewers. That doesn't mean our present management methods are good - you seem to be just about the only person left who thinks they are. Moving from using a quill to using a fountain pen or even a ballpoint doesn't mean we have more writers or better writers. But it does make writing easier and is therefore a good thing to do. cheers andrew