Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.204.184]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D1C09F98A1 for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 21:19:10 -0300 (ADT) Received: from postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.184]) (amavisd-maia, port 10024) with ESMTP id 75847-03 for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 21:18:51 -0300 (ADT) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.5 Received: from smtp128.iad.emailsrvr.com (smtp128.iad.emailsrvr.com [207.97.245.128]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAFAF9F9894 for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 21:18:58 -0300 (ADT) Received: from relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id CD0D344E5C1; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 20:18:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: chander-AT-otg-nc.com) with ESMTP id 7804244C2A3; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 20:18:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <472D0F6F.8090602@otg-nc.com> Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2007 20:16:47 -0400 From: Chander Ganesan User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Page CC: "Joshua D. Drake" , josh@agliodbs.com, pgsql-www@postgresql.org, Peter Eisentraut Subject: Re: Training events policy ... first test case References: <200711031703310000@114527600> <20071103142105.2d29bc1b@scratch> <472D02A3.1070404@postgresql.org> In-Reply-To: <472D02A3.1070404@postgresql.org> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------060504040105000908070407" X-Virus-Scanned: Maia Mailguard 1.0.1 X-Archive-Number: 200711/79 X-Sequence-Number: 12857 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060504040105000908070407 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dave Page wrote: > Joshua D. Drake wrote: > >> On Sat, 3 Nov 2007 17:03:31 -0000 >> "Dave Page" wrote: >> >> >> >>>> ------- Original Message ------- >>>> From: Chander Ganesan >>>> To: josh@agliodbs.com >>>> Sent: 03/11/07, 16:31:33 >>>> Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] Training events policy ... first test case >>>> >>>> Actually, I think that its not unusual for us to see a few >>>> enrollments the week before a class... so listing classes that are >>>> "next week" is a good idea - i'm sure this is a trend seen by all >>>> training companies.... >>>> >>> Here's a possibly crazy idea - how about we remove the 3 or 4 >>> listings from /index.html altogether and replace them with a >>> dynamically generated summary saying something like: >>> >>> "There are 24 training events in 9 countries scheduled over the next >>> 6 months from OTG, EnterpriseDB, Command Prompt, 2nd Quadrant and >>> others. View the complete schedule to find the PostgreSQL training >>> you want." >>> >>> The numbers are easy to calcuate of course, and we could just grab 3 >>> or 4 company names randomly. >>> >> That is actually pretty cool. >> >> +1 >> > > Thanks. > > http://dave.pgadmin.org/ > > To try it out. Before anyone asks, it does properly handle the case when > there are less than 4 companies with events in the next 6 months and > modifies the text accordingly. > > If noone objects, I'll commit in a day or two. > Perhaps the font size can be reduced so that its more in line with the size used for events. It looks a bit bigger than everything else on the page, kind of an eye-draw... However, I think this brings to the forefront issue #2...that certain companies use training events as a lead generation tool...much the same way that some companies will post many press releases around the same time to generate leads for their products. I know that there are some "guidelines" for the press release issue, why not apply something similar to training events? Or perhaps the "8 per year and pay for more" strategy....with a "per event" fee ($1000 USD in the US?) for additional events that varies based on the country of incorporation (so Brazilian companies would pay a smaller fee than an American one).... Heck, perhaps even "8 per year per course type"? So companies would have an added incentive to grow their PG offerings (this might be a bit one-sided, since AFAIK we offer the widest range of PG courses), but it seems like a good strategy to keep things on the up-and-up. Such a strategy would also make sense (IMHO) for folks like EDB, which has a couple of courses, and Modern and BNR, that offer their courses only sporadically. > /D > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 1: if posting/reading through Usenet, please send an appropriate > subscribe-nomail command to majordomo@postgresql.org so that your > message can get through to the mailing list cleanly > -- Chander Ganesan Open Technology Group, Inc. One Copley Parkway, Suite 210 Morrisville, NC 27560 Phone: 877-258-8987/919-463-0999 http://www.otg-nc.com --------------060504040105000908070407 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dave Page wrote: 
Joshua D. Drake wrote:
  
On Sat, 3 Nov 2007 17:03:31 -0000
"Dave Page" <dpage@postgresql.org> wrote:


    
------- Original Message -------
From: Chander Ganesan <chander@otg-nc.com>
To: josh@agliodbs.com
Sent: 03/11/07, 16:31:33
Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] Training events policy ... first test case

Actually, I think that its not unusual for us to see a few
enrollments the week before a class...  so listing classes that are
"next week" is a good idea - i'm sure this is a trend seen by all
training companies.... 
        
Here's a possibly crazy idea - how about we remove the 3 or 4
listings from /index.html altogether and replace them with a
dynamically generated summary saying something like:
      
"There are 24 training events in 9 countries scheduled over the next
6 months from OTG, EnterpriseDB, Command Prompt, 2nd Quadrant and
others. View the complete schedule to find the PostgreSQL training
you want."
      
The numbers are easy to calcuate of course, and we could just grab 3
or 4 company names randomly.
      
That is actually pretty cool. 

+1
    

Thanks.

http://dave.pgadmin.org/

To try it out. Before anyone asks, it does properly handle the case when
there are less than 4 companies with events in the next 6 months and
modifies the text accordingly.

If noone objects, I'll commit in a day or two.
Perhaps the font size can be reduced so that its more in line with the size used for events.  It looks a bit bigger than everything else on the page, kind of an eye-draw...

However, I think this brings to the forefront issue #2...that certain companies use training events as a lead generation tool...much the same way that some companies will post many press releases around the same time to generate leads for their products.

I know that there are some "guidelines" for the press release issue, why not apply something similar to training events?  Or perhaps the "8 per year and pay for more" strategy....with a "per event" fee ($1000 USD in the US?) for additional events that varies based on the country of incorporation (so Brazilian companies would pay a smaller fee than an American one)....

Heck, perhaps even "8 per year per course type"?  So companies would have an added incentive to grow their PG offerings (this might be a bit one-sided, since AFAIK we offer the widest range of PG courses), but it seems like a good strategy to keep things on the up-and-up.  Such a strategy would also make sense (IMHO) for folks like EDB, which has a couple of courses, and Modern and BNR, that offer their courses only sporadically.
/D

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