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Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 01:53:35 -0400
From: Chander Ganesan <chander@otg-nc.com>
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Subject: Re: Training events policy ... first test case
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>> At 11:51p -0400 on 03 Nov 2007, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
>>     
>>> Kudos on this but I agree with the blob of text argument.. perhaps we
>>> could change:
>>>
>>> There are 21 training events in 4 countries scheduled over the next six
>>> months from EnterpriseDB, CertFirst, Open Technology Group and others.
>>> Take a look at our schedule to find the training that you want.
>>>
>>> To:
>>>
>>> 21 events in 4 countries <link over the next six months >.
>>>       
>> Or perhaps:
>>
>> In the next six months, there are <link>21 events</link> in 4 countries
>> from 13 different companies.
>>     
>
> I like this, reduces the 'pick-n-choose' which companies to choose ...
>   

After some further thought, I don't think that doing this is in the best 
interest of the community, or the companies that offer training.  Most 
people learn about training events that might be of interest to them via 
the smattering of courses that are listed on the main page.  Aside from 
those people, there is a small group of people that are actually 
actively looking for training that will go to the "training" page for 
upcoming events.

As such, providers who might want to increase their support for 
PostgreSQL or related products will have less incentive to do so, since 
its unlikely that their courses will even be considered.  For example, 
we offer a "PostgreSQL Performance Tuning" course that focuses on topics 
that would be of interest to experience PostgreSQL administrators.  This 
course is geared at folks who have lots of PG experience - and thus 
aren't interested in training.  We commonly see enrollment for this 
course when the course hits the front page, and little to no enrollment 
in it at other times.  If we offer it a few times and don't get a 
certain enrollment level, we'll just stop offering it.  The same would 
be true of other courses that we offer, such as "Implementing databases 
with PostgreSQL", which we've had specific community requests for on 
-advocacy, but which probably wouldn't get much enrollment in unless it 
hit the front page.

I'm torn on this, on one hand I'm sure the intention is to allow the 
community to grow and prosper as much as possible, while on the other 
hand to take an even-handed approach to the display of upcoming courses 
on the homepage.

What are the chances of adding a course title or two on that display on 
the home page.  For example:

In the next six months, there are <link>21 events</link> in 4 countries
from 13 different companies, including PostgreSQL Administration, and PostgreSQL
Database Implement ion and Performance Tuning events.


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    <pre wrap="">At 11:51p -0400 on 03 Nov 2007, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
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      <pre wrap="">Kudos on this but I agree with the blob of text argument.. perhaps we
could change:

There are 21 training events in 4 countries scheduled over the next six
months from EnterpriseDB, CertFirst, Open Technology Group and others.
Take a look at our schedule to find the training that you want.

To:

21 events in 4 countries &lt;link over the next six months &gt;.
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    <pre wrap="">Or perhaps:

In the next six months, there are &lt;link&gt;21 events&lt;/link&gt; in 4 countries
from 13 different companies.
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I like this, reduces the 'pick-n-choose' which companies to choose ...
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<br>
After some further thought, I don't think that doing this is in the
best interest of the community, or the companies that offer training.&nbsp;
Most people learn about training events that might be of interest to
them via the smattering of courses that are listed on the main page.&nbsp;
Aside from those people, there is a small group of people that are
actually actively looking for training that will go to the "training"
page for upcoming events.<br>
<br>
As such, providers who might want to increase their support for
PostgreSQL or related products will have less incentive to do so, since
its unlikely that their courses will even be considered.&nbsp; For example,
we offer a "PostgreSQL Performance Tuning" course that focuses on
topics that would be of interest to experience PostgreSQL
administrators.&nbsp; This course is geared at folks who have lots of PG
experience - and thus aren't interested in training.&nbsp; We commonly see
enrollment for this course when the course hits the front page, and
little to no enrollment in it at other times.&nbsp; If we offer it a few
times and don't get a certain enrollment level, we'll just stop
offering it.&nbsp; The same would be true of other courses that we offer,
such as "Implementing databases with PostgreSQL", which we've had
specific community requests for on -advocacy, but which probably
wouldn't get much enrollment in unless it hit the front page.<br>
<br>
I'm torn on this, on one hand I'm sure the intention is to allow the
community to grow and prosper as much as possible, while on the other
hand to take an even-handed approach to the display of upcoming courses
on the homepage.<br>
<br>
What are the chances of adding a course title or two on that display on
the home page.&nbsp; For example:<br>
<br>
<pre wrap="">In the next six months, there are &lt;link&gt;21 events&lt;/link&gt; in 4 countries
<span class="moz-txt-citetags"></span>from 13 different companies, including PostgreSQL Administration, and PostgreSQL
Database Implement ion and Performance Tuning events.</pre>
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Open Technology Group, Inc.
One Copley Parkway, Suite 210
Morrisville, NC  27560
Phone: 877-258-8987/919-463-0999
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.otg-nc.com">http://www.otg-nc.com</a>
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