Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.204.184]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23A972E0171 for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 14:15:54 -0300 (ADT) Received: from postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.184]) (amavisd-maia, port 10024) with ESMTP id 48587-02 for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 14:15:38 -0300 (ADT) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.5 Received: from sca-es-mail-1.sun.com (sca-es-mail-1.Sun.COM [192.18.43.132]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E1812E0172 for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 14:15:39 -0300 (ADT) Received: from fe-sfbay-10.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m2AHFaZj029765 for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 10:15:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-10.sun.com by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0JXI00E01Y526O00@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com> (original mail from josh@agliodbs.com) for pgsql-www@postgresql.org; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 10:15:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from josh-berkuss-macbook.local ([64.81.245.111]) by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0JXI00BQ5YLXOX60@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com>; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 10:15:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 10:15:32 -0700 From: Josh Berkus Subject: Re: Contributor listing policy In-reply-to: <20080310093353.GG30980@svr2.hagander.net> To: Magnus Hagander Cc: "Joshua D. Drake" , pgsql-www@postgresql.org Message-id: <47D56CB4.9090208@agliodbs.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=UTF-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <200803071514.09009.josh@agliodbs.com> <20080307175725.138404c6@commandprompt.com> <200803091211.58029.josh@agliodbs.com> <20080309141950.0a8071bc@commandprompt.com> <20080310093353.GG30980@svr2.hagander.net> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) X-Virus-Scanned: Maia Mailguard 1.0.1 X-Archive-Number: 200803/178 X-Sequence-Number: 14297 Magnus, > It was also presented as the solution that -core agreed on. I'm sure that > if Josh actually lied about that, someone would've spoken up quite fast. > But I strongly doubt that Josh would claim to present the "view of the core > team" if the discussion hadn't taken place. Heh. As if I could get away with that -- I'd have until list lag caught up to get blasted. I guess one of the questions here is "who owns the contributor listings?". It's not a question we've ever dealt with specifically before, and it's unclear on even what *mailing list* would be involved in discussing them. It seems like we'd need to involve half or more of the lists. For the last 3 years, nobody has discussed this because Robert just did it and submitted the list to Core, which approved it. Now Robert is tired of the work, and what was implicit needs to become explicit. The reason I'm putting forward that Core ought to be ultimately responsible is threefold: 1) Core is a central point of contact which is supposed to know what's going on in the various disconnected mailing lists, and as such is our only existing "central" coordinating group; 2) The seven Core team members place in the listings isn't going to change, and thus we can argue about who should be where without statutory personal bias; 3) Core does conventionally deal with other issues around contributor status, such as CVS access, release notes, and (in extreme cases) banning. Barring Core handling it, we'd have to form a separate committee, and somehow pick people who would be both representative and relatively impartial. That seems like it would increase the amount of work involved in getting the listings updated siginificantly, to the point where they might not get updated at all. Given that the only identified real problem (listings not being updated frequently enough) is not solved by forming a separate committee, why not take the easiest path, at least until another concrete problem is identified? --Josh Berkus