Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.204.184]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72C532E002D for ; Sat, 22 Mar 2008 16:29:43 -0300 (ADT) Received: from postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.184]) (amavisd-maia, port 10024) with ESMTP id 42894-03 for ; Sat, 22 Mar 2008 16:29:36 -0300 (ADT) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.5 Received: from cronos.madness.at (madness.at [217.196.146.217]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CFDF2E0035 for ; Sat, 22 Mar 2008 16:29:39 -0300 (ADT) Received: from d86-32-233-114.cust.tele2.at ([86.32.233.114] helo=[192.168.2.100]) by cronos.madness.at with esmtpsa (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Jd9PD-0002u0-IY; Sat, 22 Mar 2008 20:29:36 +0100 Message-ID: <47E55EDD.2020108@kaltenbrunner.cc> Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 20:32:45 +0100 From: Stefan Kaltenbrunner User-Agent: Mozilla-Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20080110) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Page CC: PostgreSQL www Subject: Re: postgresql.org mail infrastructure References: <937d27e10803220907v4d916d6dr32be3fa9a4a3129a@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <937d27e10803220907v4d916d6dr32be3fa9a4a3129a@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Maia Mailguard 1.0.1 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=0 required=5 tests=none X-Spam-Level: X-Archive-Number: 200803/495 X-Sequence-Number: 14614 Dave Page wrote: > The postgresql.org mail infrastructure is currently deeply intertwined > with the hub.org system. This makes it difficult for the 2 non-hub.org > people who have access to manage the systems, and means that any > problems with hub.org affect us, and any problems caused by us will > affect hub.org customers. yeah - I think this fact adds quite some complexity to the whole system - and keeping things simple is quite often a really good concept. > > I propose that we build a replacement mail system, tailored to our > needs. This would be built on our existing FreeBSD infrastructure and > would be managed by members of the existing sysadmin team including > myself, Magnus, Stefan and Marc. Further, it has been suggested that > OmniTI may be able to offer assistance. > > Can I please get a show of hands for and against progressing with such > a project? well such a project would be a fairly large undertaking and needs to be planned properly - but +1 on the idea of decoupling the hub.org infrastructure from the postgresql.org on at least a logical (ie seperate jails) level. Stefan