Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.204.183]) by mail.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68F25634712 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 2009 16:14:05 -0300 (ADT) Received: from mail.postgresql.org ([200.46.204.86]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.183]) (amavisd-maia, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01518-01-6 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 2009 16:14:02 -0300 (ADT) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from outmail136059.authsmtp.com (outmail136059.authsmtp.com [62.13.136.59]) by mail.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A87D4635263 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 2009 15:42:23 -0300 (ADT) Received: from mail-c193.authsmtp.com (mail-c193.authsmtp.com [62.13.128.118]) by punt7.authsmtp.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/Kp) with ESMTP id n3DIg9Np071196; Mon, 13 Apr 2009 19:42:09 +0100 (BST) Received: from Sidney-Stratton.local (dsl081-245-111.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net [64.81.245.111]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.authsmtp.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/Kp) with ESMTP id n3DIg6d4098027; Mon, 13 Apr 2009 19:42:07 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <49E3877D.6050809@agliodbs.com> Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 11:42:05 -0700 From: Josh Berkus Organization: PostgreSQL Experts Inc. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.1b3pre) Gecko/20090223 Thunderbird/3.0b2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Page CC: PostgreSQL www Subject: Re: Link locations for beta? References: <49DFE190.7050802@agliodbs.com> <937d27e10904110108h1de4bf4ev5ff1794299d1500f@mail.gmail.com> <49E29B12.1050107@agliodbs.com> <937d27e10904130213s36f2056dv8018dde798d8d232@mail.gmail.com> <49E370F5.5040107@agliodbs.com> <937d27e10904131104k6ba9ad81h87bb448dbf115292@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <937d27e10904131104k6ba9ad81h87bb448dbf115292@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Quench: cae0aa22-285a-11de-8a51-002264978518 X-AuthRoute: OCdyZgscClZXSx8a IioLCC5HRQ8+YBZL BAkGMA9GIUINWEQL c1ADdR16KEdbHwkB CnYKUl5QUldxUS1z bxRZbBtfZk9QXgRr T0pMQFdNFEs2Amh4 URhKVhl7fwVEfzBy Z0RjECMKCUQrJER/ X0xcEDwbZGY0PX0X AUVZagNUcgFMehZC YlV+XD1vNG8XDTo3 BBY3ei8uIgAXDCVT QUkJKlkbXUcMGCV0 SRcYVT8iAURSL2Qg X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633136333939.pelican.dmpriest.net.uk:1378/Kp X-Report-SPAM: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-Virus-Scanned: Maia Mailguard 1.0.1 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=0 required=5 tests=none X-Spam-Level: X-Archive-Number: 200904/46 X-Sequence-Number: 16913 Dave, > Right - which s exactly why I don't want you to publish links directly > to a small handful of binaries and ignore the fact that the vast > majority actually come from other places such as the yum repo, the EDB > download server, ports, apt etc. etc. Except it's not clear to the user from the page which of those have betas, and how to get those betas. If we want to not have a full set of links in the e-mails, then we need to have explicit links & information on how to get every single beta binary somewhere else, like the developer/beta page. In other words: if people have difficulty *finding* the betas, they won't test them. > So for the sake of changing 2 characters in each announcement, we have > to change the filing system to one which requires more and more effort > for every user to locate the file they want? I don't think that makes > much sense. It was more about the web pages than the announcements. > It's also likely to lead users to 404's more often as the website > usually updates before all the mirrors do, so having a single page for > all releases will potentially have invalid links on it for up to 24 > hours, whereas users will be far less likely to find them on an as-yet > unadvertised page. Ah, I didn't know about that issue. -- Josh Berkus PostgreSQL Experts Inc. www.pgexperts.com