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Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 00:22:10 +0100
From: Gabriele Bartolini <gabriele.bartolini@2ndQuadrant.it>
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Il 10/01/13 23:54, Josh Berkus ha scritto:
> It's not a false problem. That policy was created in specific response 
> to a specific problem from a company which (as far as I know) still 
> exists and will return to abusing our system if we let them.
What I meant is that the limitation is probably worse than that 
particular abuse. Also, Magnus confirms that after that, the way events 
are shown has been changed.

I'd agree to limit invasive submissions (such as emails and home page 
communications), but frankly I still believe that the current limitation 
is obsolete and probably also damaging.

However, in case you probably missed that part in my email, I came with 
a proposal of 10 courses per month per organisation. A high number, but 
still a upper limit.
> We probably want a new policy, but it needs to be one which does not
> allow casual abuse.
In Italy there is a saying: "Fatta la legge, trovato l'inganno" ( every 
law has a loophole). I think we are better off using our time and energy 
in positive activities, and helping healthy, dynamic and active 
companies promote Postgres through training.

Also, who is willing to go and check if an event is really an abuse? How 
would you judge that?

Thank you.

Ciao,
Gabriele

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  Gabriele Bartolini - 2ndQuadrant Italia
  PostgreSQL Training, Services and Support
  gabriele.bartolini@2ndQuadrant.it | www.2ndQuadrant.it


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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Il 10/01/13 23:54, Josh Berkus ha
      scritto:<br>
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    <blockquote cite="mid:50EF46C0.7060204@agliodbs.com" type="cite">
      It's not a false problem. That policy was created in specific
      response
      to a specific problem from a company which (as far as I know)
      still
      exists and will return to abusing our system if we let them.</blockquote>
    What I meant is that the limitation is probably worse than that
    particular abuse. Also, Magnus confirms that after that, the way
    events are shown has been changed.<br>
    <br>
    I'd agree to limit invasive submissions (such as emails and home
    page communications), but frankly I still believe that the current
    limitation is obsolete and probably also damaging.<br>
    <br>
    However, in case you probably missed that part in my email, I came
    with a proposal of 10 courses per month per organisation. A high
    number, but still a upper limit.<br>
    <blockquote cite="mid:50EF46C0.7060204@agliodbs.com" type="cite">
      <pre wrap="">We probably want a new policy, but it needs to be one which does not
allow casual abuse.
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    </blockquote>
    In Italy there is a saying: "Fatta la legge, trovato l'inganno" (
    <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
    every law has a loophole). I think we are better off using our time
    and energy in positive activities, and helping healthy, dynamic and
    active companies promote Postgres through training.<br>
    <br>
    Also, who is willing to go and check if an event is really an abuse?
    How would you judge that?<br>
    <br>
    Thank you.<br>
    <br>
    Ciao,<br>
    Gabriele<br>
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 PostgreSQL Training, Services and Support
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