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Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 10:35:04 -0800
From: Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com>
Organization: PostgreSQL Experts Inc.
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To: Christoph Berg <myon@debian.org>, Martin Pitt <mpitt@debian.org>,
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Subject: Re: [pgsql-pkg-debian] Re: We should not transition to
	apt.postgresql.org until we have a PPA
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Folks,

(1) Issue with instructions on Ubuntu 12.04

1. install the key using the wget command.

2. there is no pgdg.list file to edit, per instructions.  Nor, for that
matter, is there a pgdg.pref file.  If the instructions mean *create*
these files from scratch, they should say that.

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(2) Problem with general process

The instructions expressed on the page involve 6 steps, three of which
require editing text files with persnickety syntax, thus requiring an
intimate knowledge of Debian packaging, and mapping your numerical
release number to the "cute" release names, and rearranging lines of a
large complex system-generated file, and messing with repository keys.

Frankly, installing PostgreSQL from source will be easier than following
those instructions.  It represents a return to "PostgreSQL is hard to
install" for Ubuntu users.

Compare this to the simple and largely infallable sequence for
installing the PPA:

1. apt-get install python-software-properties
2. add-apt-repository ppa:pitti/postgresql
3. apt-get update
4. apt-get install postgresql-9.2

That's *it*.  No text files to edit, no keys to mess with, no finicky
syntax to learn.  Just four commands which can be put in a simple shell
script and deployed across a dozen servers, thanks to Martin's good work.

The new process represents a 20X increase in sysadmin time to install
PostgreSQL on a server.  This will result in less PostgresQL
installations.  Do we really want that?

Alternately, Martin, this will mean (for our professional clients)
switching from Ubuntu to Red Hat/Fedora, just because it's easier to
maintain PostgreSQL there.

-- 
Josh Berkus
PostgreSQL Experts Inc.
http://pgexperts.com


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