Subject: Re: Archives policy
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From: Marc Fournier <scrappy@hub.org>
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Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 18:57:40 -0400
Cc: Joshua D. Drake <jd@commandprompt.com>, Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>,
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To: Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@commandprompt.com>


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On 2012-04-11, at 2:55 PM, Alvaro Herrera wrote:

>=20
> Excerpts from Joshua D. Drake's message of jue abr 16 15:07:59 -0400 =
2009:
>> On Thu, 2009-04-16 at 15:03 -0400, Tom Lane wrote:
>>> "Marc G. Fournier" <scrappy@hub.org> writes:
>>>> On Thu, 16 Apr 2009, Alvaro Herrera wrote:
>>>>> (and I don't think we're going to attempt to delete pornographic
>>>>> messages posted months ago -- if anything of the sort happens, =
action is
>>>>> going to be taken pretty hastily).
>>>=20
>>>> Agreed ... there isn't any reason why someone 'internally' doesn't =
notice=20
>>>> it from jus scanning the lists ...
>>>=20
>>> I think by far the most likely problem scenario is that someone =
claims
>>> to hold copyright on something-or-other in an old message and files =
a
>>> DMCA takedown notice against it.  AFAICT the standard of proof in =
such
>>> cases is "guilty until proven innocent", so we'd probably have to =
cave
>>> rather than argue about it.  How are the copyright laws in Canada =
these
>>> days?
>>=20
>> I think what we really need to do is stop playing attorney and ask =
one
>> what our exposure is. I will contact SFLC.
>=20
> I just got another guy requesting me to remove an archived email from
> very old archives.  Nothing illegal so I'm not doing it.  Still, I =
just
> reread this thread and saw this offer and no followup.  JD, did you =
ever
> get around to asking SFLC about this?

Iin the past, the policy was defined nice and simple: once in the =
archives, there are no changes, period, since its not just our archives =
that the messages is in, but every public / private archive that exists =
on the Internet =85

The one exception to this was a few years back when we were alerts that =
there was a bunch of porn, but we didn't *remove* the posts, onlly =
XXXX'd out the text, so that the archives URLs didn't get changed in the =
process =85

As for 'copyright laws in Canada', which was asked also above =85 =
consider Canada, in large part, to be a sister-state to the US, if not a =
bit more fascist(god, hope that is the right word) =85 it fluctuates =
somewhat, but over time, the net result tends to be that what is adopted =
in the US, gets adopted here =85


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