Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hQXSm-0000Y1-Jx for pgsql-www@arkaria.postgresql.org; Tue, 14 May 2019 13:27:25 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hQXSk-0005AY-V3 for pgsql-www@arkaria.postgresql.org; Tue, 14 May 2019 13:27:22 +0000 Received: from makus.postgresql.org ([2001:4800:3e1:1::229]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hQXSk-0005AR-Ky for pgsql-www@lists.postgresql.org; Tue, 14 May 2019 13:27:22 +0000 Received: from meldrar.postgresql.org ([2a02:c0:301:0:ffff::31]) by makus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hQXSi-0005ZV-4n for pgsql-www@lists.postgresql.org; Tue, 14 May 2019 13:27:21 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=postgresql.org; s=20171124; h=Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date: Message-ID:From:References:Cc:To:Subject:Sender:Reply-To: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID:Content-Description; bh=yWul3xPRCJberxB5bUsCjis6pUdMc6+PMvCHzlpbJj4=; b=ku9oYDi+zCV23c6xqSKPH5f7qo QXDBhDaDFlIuqnGsN1nntJP0a7R9qSdXTpjt9Mk7v60bVlGieksGG0JTb3ocXn+RmB5bGJDQK4sHz RSumCkM1frE0Np8KY5BpmwJdbMaBo/J7kcQdvWshdeo+ctDcL1O7UHSuIpP82bG/9ju4Pl70lR/bY X+/jN+lAI2Dmge4yzDfQFW13K31BlGLEPUPmPd4abHoc2ViiigDbCdA9U5Fv/5CO251SHQCWORjLK Ng4nvV0TJEOAKHWtzuoMV5Y+T3e74U/vQLoj4rQ29VrLJQcohw2FCnxUNRcJi2TeoqHaPXtTaOllw dB4arvIQ==; Received: from pool-96-250-83-19.nycmny.fios.verizon.net ([96.250.83.19] helo=Ph33r-Retina.home) by meldrar.postgresql.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hQXSc-0002Lu-IV; Tue, 14 May 2019 13:27:17 +0000 Subject: Re: Cleaning up the Download options To: Dave Page Cc: PostgreSQL WWW References: <3f19beeb-22c1-7caa-234c-48417e95f290@postgresql.org> From: "Jonathan S. 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Katz" To: Dave Page Cc: PostgreSQL WWW Message-ID: <66e10702-8306-837f-7ffb-32bf8446d0da@postgresql.org> Subject: Re: Cleaning up the Download options References: <3f19beeb-22c1-7caa-234c-48417e95f290@postgresql.org> In-Reply-To: --krgR9LzrwA2Gdhdu0FT1AP4Vr6WXgMTu0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Dave, On 5/14/19 6:53 AM, Dave Page wrote: > Hi >=20 > On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 4:56 PM Jonathan S. Katz > wrote: >=20 > However, before we do any removals, perhaps we reach out to all of = the > package maintainers to give them a chance to say "Yes we're no long= er > supporting it?" >=20 >=20 > I'm inclined not to do that. My reasoning is that if we have to prod > them to update builds once, we'll almost certainly have to do it again > and will have to keep checking up on them. It's not like there aren't > various ways people could keep up to date with our releases - and two o= f > those third party packages are maintained by *very* active PG people. That's fair. I would suggest, if the contact info is still valid, we at least contact the maintainers to let them know we are removing their packages as a courtesy. >=20 > Fink is the one I might suggest giving some leeway to. Those packages > are less than six months out of date, and the maintainer isn't (unlike > the one for Brew and MacPorts) on the -packagers list - which I thought= > we considered a requirement for the "primary downloads". WFM. > This gets into a larger topic that I may (read: will) broach at PGC= on > (and what I feel this is leading to) is to create a design for the > Downloads page that respects & uses the hierarchy you've developed = but > gives it a bit more modern feel. I've had some thoughts for how to = carry > this out and looking forward to discussing more. >=20 >=20 > Bring mockups!=20 =2E..probably more like sketches on a piece of paper :) Jonathan --krgR9LzrwA2Gdhdu0FT1AP4Vr6WXgMTu0-- --DKWbFTCUNeAUD0L8mS31ajIn7aR8vids5 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEE+oS2la8r95ogZD/x8QSccp8cZScFAlzawjAACgkQ8QSccp8c ZSfydxAAj92d9YkbXdLpLbFZinAlUFaq0+1SaoqISR0Ixb29/SPKAgvMNp/IqND5 u8tLY4kmqM8mRZriCAsuxj7QUzfL7MJf2HyWlqop7lF9GHDbHNJEU8a+Rt70i7aF GsPgVsRSfEhebeMrQIKVuvAJy89u3VlX3ZBYq4kmhJVpcBBvVlXS87LrfSBrDig6 OzL5mUBYYSYPGIYy5SxnA9ZOV9d4Z2L6j7jPsxj3Tc4mYRd2j6LiZWTOfVNjpMC+ RZvHaH9qusgwF4WjEO8lb+gLz3ehEtVwKZ5IvRPJxVQzvkijIpZB4BMYYGWOf711 06w8FFbaPbGvZJ/kbylMgXUJ8mNwACjOp84FQR/0D4+I8lObiu4M4sygvcSEjZ5E rWhmjwajfYypPx+eMOR8DxGgBGt2B8tdgZOYmsov/FemTfrZiU4nWXRtJmt/SVFA vylmZr6gjV39XnIU9zxLCn7usymKUhQo60zbP8oyjZ4kC9+tXMwAc5kGP0gVkqJH uA2ucK8+UuqSur0o4igVr28jJpGGcHECVknTyigCUIeMhmaZba/Xn4KBzxed/1W4 gd41WnOZoYlx80IgnS3c66sQXdk51dsHp3V1WNGD/0F3PHrALbs9tO9sOf6Km1xR DmNs5ZTqd7mFVhDqWlSkGPgiW096Ptp2+2CXNE6ihRy0Mj6y6C4= =Gu5n -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --DKWbFTCUNeAUD0L8mS31ajIn7aR8vids5--