From gevik@xs4all.nl Thu Jun 4 16:26:23 2026 X-Original-To: pgsql-www-postgresql.org@localhost.postgresql.org Received: from localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) by svr1.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FA8BD9578 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 06:40:42 -0300 (ADT) Received: from svr1.postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 33440-10 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 09:40:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp-vbr5.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr5.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.25]) by svr1.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6AB1D9569 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 06:40:36 -0300 (ADT) Received: from gevbook (host-2.rubicon-2.demon.nl [212.238.248.34]) by smtp-vbr5.xs4all.nl (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j8L9ebah043870; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 11:40:37 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from gevik@xs4all.nl) Message-Id: <200509210940.j8L9ebah043870@smtp-vbr5.xs4all.nl> From: "Gevik babakhani" To: Cc: "'Dave Page'" Subject: PGDN and CVS Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 11:40:40 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0046_01C5BEA1.4AFE9EA0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.1830 Thread-Index: AcW+kIcT6CwluUdAQASZMbpU/xojqA== X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at hub.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.072 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.071, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] X-Spam-Level: X-Archive-Number: 200509/48 X-Sequence-Number: 8562 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C5BEA1.4AFE9EA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Dave, Regarding the PGDN. 1. Let's say we produce a directory with all kinds of static html,images sample sql scripts etc. How do we want to update the whole PGDN within our CVS. 2. Do we want to put the static PGDN files in CVS anyway? Should we keep the PGDN files separate not mixing with the current site's CVS? Regards, Gevik. ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C5BEA1.4AFE9EA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Dave,

 

Regarding the PGDN.

 

  1. Let’s say we = produce a directory with all kinds of static html,images sample sql scripts = etc… How do we want to update the whole PGDN within our = CVS.
  2. Do we want to put the = static PGDN files in CVS anyway? Should we keep the PGDN files separate = not mixing with the current site’s = CVS?

 

Regards,

Gevik.

 

------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C5BEA1.4AFE9EA0-- From dpage@vale-housing.co.uk Thu Jun 4 16:26:25 2026 X-Original-To: pgsql-www-postgresql.org@localhost.postgresql.org Received: from localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) by svr1.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67359D9501 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 06:50:29 -0300 (ADT) Received: from svr1.postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 37321-10 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 09:50:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by svr1.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C847D70A7 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 06:50:25 -0300 (ADT) Received: from mailgate.vale-housing.co.uk ([194.217.48.34] helo=vale-housing.co.uk) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EI19X-0005dJ-49 for pgsql-www@postgresql.org; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 09:44:35 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C5BE91.E49494F9" Subject: Re: PGDN and CVS Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 10:50:25 +0100 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: PGDN and CVS Thread-Index: AcW+kIcT6CwluUdAQASZMbpU/xojqAAAHbZA From: "Dave Page" To: "Gevik babakhani" , X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at hub.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.054 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.053, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] X-Spam-Level: X-Archive-Number: 200509/49 X-Sequence-Number: 8563 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5BE91.E49494F9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 ________________________________ From: Gevik babakhani [mailto:gevik@xs4all.nl]=20 Sent: 21 September 2005 10:41 To: pgsql-www@postgresql.org Cc: Dave Page Subject: PGDN and CVS =09 =09 Hi Dave, =20 Hi Gevik, =20 Regarding the PGDN. =20 1. Let's say we produce a directory with all kinds of static html,images sample sql scripts etc... How do we want to update the whole PGDN within our CVS. =20 =20 We need a script that will traverse the directory structure and perform the appropriate CVS add/remove operations based on what it finds, and then commits the whole tree. It sounds hard at first thought, but I don't think it is when thought about further - for example, we hierarchically traverse the tree, and for each directory or file we find, we check CVS/Entries to see if it exists in CVS. If not, we do a CVS ADD on it. When we've processed the files, we then go line by line through CVS/Entries, and CVS REMOVE any files or directories that don't exist any more. That should be a relatively trivial perl script for someone familiar with perl. =20 1. Do we want to put the static PGDN files in CVS anyway? Should we keep the PGDN files separate not mixing with the current site's CVS?=20 =20 Yes, we do want them in CVS because we build the entire from there & the backend database. we don't want to start pulling in content from additional places as that just makes it much harder to rebuild the servers if there is ever a problem. =20 Regards, Dave. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5BE91.E49494F9 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 

From: Gevik babakhani = [mailto:gevik@xs4all.nl]=20
Sent: 21 September 2005 10:41
To:=20 pgsql-www@postgresql.org
Cc: Dave Page
Subject: = PGDN and=20 CVS

Hi=20 Dave,

 

Hi Gevik,

 

Regarding the=20 PGDN.

 

  1. Let’s say we=20 produce a directory with all kinds of static html,images sample sql = scripts=20 etc… How do we want to update the whole PGDN within our=20 CVS.  
 
We need a script=20 that will traverse the directory structure and perform the appropriate = CVS=20 add/remove operations based on what it finds, and then commits the whole = tree.=20 It sounds hard at first thought, but I don't think it is when thought = about=20 further - for example, we hierarchically traverse the tree, and for each = directory or file we find, we check CVS/Entries to see if it exists in = CVS. If=20 not, we do a CVS ADD on it. When we've processed the files, we then go = line by=20 line through CVS/Entries, and CVS REMOVE any files or directories that = don't=20 exist any more. That should be a relatively trivial perl script for = someone=20 familiar with perl.
 
  1. Do we = want to put=20 the static PGDN files in CVS anyway? Should we keep the PGDN files = separate=20 not mixing with the current site’s = CVS?

 

Yes, we do want them in CVS because we build = the entire=20 from there & the backend database. we don't want to start pulling in = content=20 from additional places as that just makes it much harder to rebuild the = servers=20 if there is ever a problem.

 

Regards,=20 Dave.

------_=_NextPart_001_01C5BE91.E49494F9-- From mha@sollentuna.net Thu Jun 4 16:26:23 2026 X-Original-To: pgsql-www-postgresql.org@localhost.postgresql.org Received: from localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) by svr1.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC667D9749 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 09:31:49 -0300 (ADT) Received: from svr1.postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 74983-08 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 12:31:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mx-2.sollentuna.net (mx-2.sollentuna.net [195.84.163.199]) by svr1.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE4B0D9730 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 09:31:46 -0300 (ADT) Received: from ALGOL.sollentuna.se (janus.sollentuna.se [62.65.68.67]) by mx-2.sollentuna.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 680978F286; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 14:31:49 +0200 (CEST) Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Subject: Re: PGDN and CVS Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 14:31:49 +0200 Message-ID: <6BCB9D8A16AC4241919521715F4D8BCE6C79CC@algol.sollentuna.se> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [pgsql-www] PGDN and CVS Thread-Index: AcW+kIcT6CwluUdAQASZMbpU/xojqAAAHbZAAAW3VSA= From: "Magnus Hagander" To: "Dave Page" , "Gevik babakhani" , X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at hub.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.06 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.010, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05] X-Spam-Level: X-Archive-Number: 200509/50 X-Sequence-Number: 8564 > 1. Do we want to put the static PGDN files in CVS=20 > anyway? Should we keep the PGDN files separate not mixing=20 > with the current site's CVS?=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > Yes, we do want them in CVS because we build the entire from=20 > there & the backend database. we don't want to start pulling=20 > in content from additional places as that just makes it much=20 > harder to rebuild the servers if there is ever a problem. While I agree with you in general, here's a point I'd liek to add. :-) Gevik, if I get your latest blog post right, you are back to a custom CMS and not using Drupal? Then, IMHO, another option is if you can build the site completely with PHP code on our site framework and store all the data in the site database. In this case I see no more reason to store the static pages for this one than there is for the docs or other parts of the site. But this assumes that *all* the code required to maintain the site is in our framework, and we're not relying on an outside CMS. //Magnus From gevik@xs4all.nl Thu Jun 4 16:26:23 2026 X-Original-To: pgsql-www-postgresql.org@localhost.postgresql.org Received: from localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) by svr1.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94C18D9780 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 09:57:16 -0300 (ADT) Received: from svr1.postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 78577-09 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 12:57:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp-vbr5.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr5.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.25]) by svr1.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B065D9790 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 09:57:08 -0300 (ADT) Received: from gevbook (host-2.rubicon-2.demon.nl [212.238.248.34]) by smtp-vbr5.xs4all.nl (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j8LCvCDU040698; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 14:57:12 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from gevik@xs4all.nl) Message-Id: <200509211257.j8LCvCDU040698@smtp-vbr5.xs4all.nl> From: "Gevik babakhani" To: "'Magnus Hagander'" , "'Dave Page'" , Subject: Re: PGDN and CVS Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 14:57:15 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.1830 In-Reply-To: <6BCB9D8A16AC4241919521715F4D8BCE6C79CC@algol.sollentuna.se> thread-index: AcW+kIcT6CwluUdAQASZMbpU/xojqAAAHbZAAAW3VSAAAOFiIA== X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at hub.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.063 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.063] X-Spam-Level: X-Archive-Number: 200509/51 X-Sequence-Number: 8565 I have hacked with the current framework while ago. I almost know how things work. (Dave has been a great help for my questions...). My plan is to transfer the things I have created with drupal to the current framework also :) I was also thinking of letting everything in the site's database. Why would we want to export things and then re-import them back in the CVS? But then again this is just my opinion. The decisions are on the masters :) Gevik > -----Original Message----- > From: Magnus Hagander [mailto:mha@sollentuna.net] > Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2005 2:32 PM > To: Dave Page; Gevik babakhani; pgsql-www@postgresql.org > Subject: RE: [pgsql-www] PGDN and CVS > > > 1. Do we want to put the static PGDN files in CVS > > anyway? Should we keep the PGDN files separate not mixing > > with the current site's CVS? > > > > > > > > Yes, we do want them in CVS because we build the entire from > > there & the backend database. we don't want to start pulling > > in content from additional places as that just makes it much > > harder to rebuild the servers if there is ever a problem. > > While I agree with you in general, here's a point I'd liek to add. :-) > > Gevik, if I get your latest blog post right, you are back to a custom > CMS and not using Drupal? Then, IMHO, another option is if you can build > the site completely with PHP code on our site framework and store all > the data in the site database. In this case I see no more reason to > store the static pages for this one than there is for the docs or other > parts of the site. But this assumes that *all* the code required to > maintain the site is in our framework, and we're not relying on an > outside CMS. > > //Magnus From dpage@vale-housing.co.uk Thu Jun 4 16:26:25 2026 X-Original-To: pgsql-www-postgresql.org@localhost.postgresql.org Received: from localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) by svr1.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13DDDD97B5 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 10:01:57 -0300 (ADT) Received: from svr1.postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 82378-09 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 13:01:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by svr1.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE7F5D97BE for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 10:01:49 -0300 (ADT) Received: from mailgate.vale-housing.co.uk ([194.217.48.34] helo=vale-housing.co.uk) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EI4ET-00082u-JP for pgsql-www@postgresql.org; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 13:01:53 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: PGDN and CVS Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 14:01:50 +0100 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [pgsql-www] PGDN and CVS Thread-Index: AcW+kIcT6CwluUdAQASZMbpU/xojqAAAHbZAAAW3VSAAAOFiIAAAQG2Q From: "Dave Page" To: "Gevik babakhani" , "Magnus Hagander" , X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at hub.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.053 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.053] X-Spam-Level: X-Archive-Number: 200509/52 X-Sequence-Number: 8566 =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Gevik babakhani [mailto:gevik@xs4all.nl]=20 > Sent: 21 September 2005 13:57 > To: 'Magnus Hagander'; Dave Page; pgsql-www@postgresql.org > Subject: RE: [pgsql-www] PGDN and CVS >=20 > I have hacked with the current framework while ago. I almost=20 > know how things > work. (Dave has been a great help for my questions...). >=20 > My plan is to transfer the things I have created with drupal=20 > to the current > framework also :) >=20 > I was also thinking of letting everything in the site's=20 > database. Why would > we want to export things and then re-import them back in the=20 > CVS? But then > again this is just my opinion. The decisions are on the masters :) Database is fine with me as an alternative to CVS, just as long as it can be generated out into a static format for replication to the front-end servers. What I don't want is something completely separate that requires significant effort to keep synced up, or to recover in the event of a disaster. Regards, Dave From josh@agliodbs.com Thu Jun 4 16:26:23 2026 X-Original-To: pgsql-www-postgresql.org@localhost.postgresql.org Received: from localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) by svr1.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A496D9C2D for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 15:53:47 -0300 (ADT) Received: from svr1.postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 72328-03 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 18:53:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from davinci.ethosmedia.com (server227.ethosmedia.com [209.128.84.227]) by svr1.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6674D9C27 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 15:53:44 -0300 (ADT) X-EthosMedia-Virus-Scanned: no infections found Received: from [64.81.245.111] (account josh@agliodbs.com HELO temoku.sf.agliodbs.com) by davinci.ethosmedia.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with ESMTP id 8130210; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 11:56:04 -0700 From: Josh Berkus Reply-To: josh@agliodbs.com Organization: Aglio Database Solutions To: pgsql-www@postgresql.org Subject: Re: PGDN and CVS Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 11:57:26 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 Cc: "Gevik babakhani" , "'Magnus Hagander'" , "'Dave Page'" References: <200509211257.j8LCvCDU040698@smtp-vbr5.xs4all.nl> In-Reply-To: <200509211257.j8LCvCDU040698@smtp-vbr5.xs4all.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200509211157.27234.josh@agliodbs.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at hub.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.047 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.003, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05] X-Spam-Level: X-Archive-Number: 200509/53 X-Sequence-Number: 8567 Gevik, > My plan is to transfer the things I have created with drupal to the > current framework also :) Not to discourage you or anything, but I'm extremely skeptical of using a custom CMS not supported by an outside project. What happens if you leave? Why are we re-inventing what 1,000 other CMSes have done before? -- --Josh Josh Berkus Aglio Database Solutions San Francisco From gevik@xs4all.nl Thu Jun 4 16:26:23 2026 X-Original-To: pgsql-www-postgresql.org@localhost.postgresql.org Received: from localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) by svr1.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5320BD9C44 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 16:02:44 -0300 (ADT) Received: from svr1.postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 74608-01 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 19:02:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp-vbr1.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr1.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.21]) by svr1.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C2E8D9C3D for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 16:02:33 -0300 (ADT) Received: from gevbook (213-84-4-128.adsl.xs4all.nl [213.84.4.128]) by smtp-vbr1.xs4all.nl (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j8LJ2U3r060254; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 21:02:30 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from gevik@xs4all.nl) Message-Id: <200509211902.j8LJ2U3r060254@smtp-vbr1.xs4all.nl> From: "Gevik babakhani" To: , Cc: "'Magnus Hagander'" , "'Dave Page'" Subject: Re: PGDN and CVS Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 21:02:32 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-reply-to: <200509211157.27234.josh@agliodbs.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.1830 Thread-Index: AcW+3cwHI+AOHPknRjGfwNymtGBPswAATP+w X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at hub.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.041 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.041] X-Spam-Level: X-Archive-Number: 200509/54 X-Sequence-Number: 8568 Josh, I'm not discouraged in anyway... I have just been looking over and over for a CMS that we could use in our project. Time after time I end up with commercial products. And even if they are opensource, they need to be so much customized that one has to put more time in customizing the CMS framework rather than building the actual requirement. > -----Original Message----- > From: Josh Berkus [mailto:josh@agliodbs.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2005 8:57 PM > To: pgsql-www@postgresql.org > Cc: Gevik babakhani; 'Magnus Hagander'; 'Dave Page' > Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] PGDN and CVS > > Gevik, > > > My plan is to transfer the things I have created with drupal to the > > current framework also :) > > Not to discourage you or anything, but I'm extremely skeptical of using a > custom CMS not supported by an outside project. What happens if you > leave? Why are we re-inventing what 1,000 other CMSes have done before? > > -- > --Josh > > Josh Berkus > Aglio Database Solutions > San Francisco From josh@agliodbs.com Thu Jun 4 16:26:23 2026 X-Original-To: pgsql-www-postgresql.org@localhost.postgresql.org Received: from localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) by svr1.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 913A4D9C6F for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 16:11:38 -0300 (ADT) Received: from svr1.postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 75436-03 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 19:11:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from davinci.ethosmedia.com (server227.ethosmedia.com [209.128.84.227]) by svr1.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92E53D9C16 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 16:11:26 -0300 (ADT) X-EthosMedia-Virus-Scanned: no infections found Received: from [64.81.245.111] (account josh@agliodbs.com HELO temoku.sf.agliodbs.com) by davinci.ethosmedia.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with ESMTP id 8130331; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 12:13:49 -0700 From: Josh Berkus Reply-To: josh@agliodbs.com Organization: Aglio Database Solutions To: "Gevik babakhani" Subject: Re: PGDN and CVS Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 12:15:10 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 Cc: pgsql-www@postgresql.org, "'Magnus Hagander'" , "'Dave Page'" References: <200509211902.j8LJ2U3r060254@smtp-vbr1.xs4all.nl> In-Reply-To: <200509211902.j8LJ2U3r060254@smtp-vbr1.xs4all.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200509211215.11178.josh@agliodbs.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at hub.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.047 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.003, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05] X-Spam-Level: X-Archive-Number: 200509/55 X-Sequence-Number: 8569 Gevik, > I'm not discouraged in anyway... I have just been looking over and over > for a CMS that we could use in our project. Time after time I end up > with commercial products. And even if they are opensource, they need to > be so much customized that one has to put more time in customizing the > CMS framework rather than building the actual requirement. What is it you're trying to implement, exactly, that you don't find supported? Is it the tree structure? Even if existing CMSes require customization, I think it'd be better to work with that project and try to get them involved in the feature. As far as I know, the only CMS you've really tried is Drupal. Both Bricolage and Framewerk are intimate with the PostgreSQL community and could be counted on to work with you. I don't think you even looked at Bricolage after Marc set it up. I also don't think you've evaluated "more time to implement" using valid criteria. If you do a custom CMS, you're going to need to impement all of the common stuff yourself: Authentication User management (including "e-mail me my password, etc.") Approval/rights structures Versioning admin Editors (inc. wyswyg and/or bbcode edit) RSS etc. Did your really add up coding all of the above compared to customizing an existing system? Again, I'm not trying to discourage you, but from my perspective half a CMS is worse than none. --Josh -- --Josh Josh Berkus Aglio Database Solutions San Francisco From ktm@it.is.rice.edu Thu Jun 4 16:26:23 2026 X-Original-To: pgsql-www-postgresql.org@localhost.postgresql.org Received: from localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) by svr1.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D91ED9C16 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 16:37:45 -0300 (ADT) Received: from svr1.postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 82076-05 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 19:37:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from is.rice.edu (is.rice.edu [128.42.42.24]) by svr1.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56CB5D9CC5 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 16:37:38 -0300 (ADT) Received: from scan2.mail.rice.edu (scan2.mail.rice.edu [128.42.59.161]) by is.rice.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 691D541886; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 14:37:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: from is.rice.edu ([128.42.42.24]) by scan2.mail.rice.edu (scan2.mail.rice.edu [128.42.59.161]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03707-04; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 14:37:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: by is.rice.edu (Postfix, from userid 18612) id A254041877; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 14:37:38 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 14:37:37 -0500 From: Kenneth Marshall To: Josh Berkus Cc: pgsql-www@postgresql.org, Gevik babakhani , 'Magnus Hagander' , 'Dave Page' Subject: Re: PGDN and CVS Message-ID: <20050921193737.GH27744@it.is.rice.edu> References: <200509211257.j8LCvCDU040698@smtp-vbr5.xs4all.nl> <200509211157.27234.josh@agliodbs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200509211157.27234.josh@agliodbs.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavis-2.2.1 at scan2.mail.rice.edu X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at hub.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 required=5 tests=[none] X-Spam-Level: X-Archive-Number: 200509/60 X-Sequence-Number: 8574 On Wed, Sep 21, 2005 at 11:57:26AM -0700, Josh Berkus wrote: > Gevik, > > > My plan is to transfer the things I have created with drupal to the > > current framework also :) > > Not to discourage you or anything, but I'm extremely skeptical of using a > custom CMS not supported by an outside project. What happens if you > leave? Why are we re-inventing what 1,000 other CMSes have done before? > > -- > --Josh > Gevik, I would like to add my support to Josh's statment. It appears that far too much re-inventing is taking place on the "it's so easy to use and does all we need" Drupal that would already exist in some of the other CMS projects that were cursorily looked at when Drupal was chosen. Bricolage, in particular, has a lot to offer and has a robust development team. Ken From gevik@xs4all.nl Thu Jun 4 16:26:23 2026 X-Original-To: pgsql-www-postgresql.org@localhost.postgresql.org Received: from localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) by svr1.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DA9FD9B56 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 16:45:20 -0300 (ADT) Received: from svr1.postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 80688-08 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 19:45:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp-vbr2.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr2.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.22]) by svr1.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D441DD9CC2 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 16:45:13 -0300 (ADT) Received: from gevbook (213-84-4-128.adsl.xs4all.nl [213.84.4.128]) by smtp-vbr2.xs4all.nl (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j8LJj9BI002117; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 21:45:09 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from gevik@xs4all.nl) Message-Id: <200509211945.j8LJj9BI002117@smtp-vbr2.xs4all.nl> From: "Gevik babakhani" To: , "'Gevik babakhani'" Cc: , "'Magnus Hagander'" , "'Dave Page'" Subject: Re: PGDN and CVS Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 21:45:11 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <200509211215.11178.josh@agliodbs.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.1830 Thread-Index: AcW+4ImTQtwfJyjBRhCf/3KO1HDKWAABCn5w X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at hub.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.04 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.040] X-Spam-Level: X-Archive-Number: 200509/56 X-Sequence-Number: 8570 I just want to get my hands building :) > -----Original Message----- > From: pgsql-www-owner@postgresql.org [mailto:pgsql-www- > owner@postgresql.org] On Behalf Of Josh Berkus > Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2005 9:15 PM > To: Gevik babakhani > Cc: pgsql-www@postgresql.org; 'Magnus Hagander'; 'Dave Page' > Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] PGDN and CVS > > Gevik, > > > I'm not discouraged in anyway... I have just been looking over and over > > for a CMS that we could use in our project. Time after time I end up > > with commercial products. And even if they are opensource, they need to > > be so much customized that one has to put more time in customizing the > > CMS framework rather than building the actual requirement. > > What is it you're trying to implement, exactly, that you don't find > supported? Is it the tree structure? > > Even if existing CMSes require customization, I think it'd be better to > work with that project and try to get them involved in the feature. As > far as I know, the only CMS you've really tried is Drupal. > > Both Bricolage and Framewerk are intimate with the PostgreSQL community > and > could be counted on to work with you. I don't think you even looked at > Bricolage after Marc set it up. > > I also don't think you've evaluated "more time to implement" using valid > criteria. If you do a custom CMS, you're going to need to impement all of > the common stuff yourself: > Authentication > User management (including "e-mail me my password, etc.") > Approval/rights structures > Versioning admin > Editors (inc. wyswyg and/or bbcode edit) > RSS > etc. > Did your really add up coding all of the above compared to customizing an > existing system? > > Again, I'm not trying to discourage you, but from my perspective half a > CMS > is worse than none. > > --Josh > > -- > --Josh > > Josh Berkus > Aglio Database Solutions > San Francisco > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 9: In versions below 8.0, the planner will ignore your desire to > choose an index scan if your joining column's datatypes do not > match From gevik@xs4all.nl Thu Jun 4 16:26:23 2026 X-Original-To: pgsql-www-postgresql.org@localhost.postgresql.org Received: from localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) by svr1.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05B6AD9CFD for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 16:52:48 -0300 (ADT) Received: from svr1.postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 83673-08 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 19:52:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp-vbr15.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr15.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.35]) by svr1.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E94AAD9CF9 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 16:52:42 -0300 (ADT) Received: from gevbook (213-84-4-128.adsl.xs4all.nl [213.84.4.128]) by smtp-vbr15.xs4all.nl (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j8LJqe3C059567; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 21:52:40 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from gevik@xs4all.nl) Message-Id: <200509211952.j8LJqe3C059567@smtp-vbr15.xs4all.nl> From: "Gevik babakhani" To: Cc: , "'Magnus Hagander'" , "'Dave Page'" Subject: Re: PGDN and CVS Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 21:52:42 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <200509211215.11178.josh@agliodbs.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.1830 Thread-Index: AcW+4ImTQtwfJyjBRhCf/3KO1HDKWAABVcvg X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at hub.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.04 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.040] X-Spam-Level: X-Archive-Number: 200509/57 X-Sequence-Number: 8571 Is this Framewerk the same as www.Framewerk.org? > -----Original Message----- > From: pgsql-www-owner@postgresql.org [mailto:pgsql-www- > owner@postgresql.org] On Behalf Of Josh Berkus > Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2005 9:15 PM > To: Gevik babakhani > Cc: pgsql-www@postgresql.org; 'Magnus Hagander'; 'Dave Page' > Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] PGDN and CVS > > Gevik, > > > I'm not discouraged in anyway... I have just been looking over and over > > for a CMS that we could use in our project. Time after time I end up > > with commercial products. And even if they are opensource, they need to > > be so much customized that one has to put more time in customizing the > > CMS framework rather than building the actual requirement. > > What is it you're trying to implement, exactly, that you don't find > supported? Is it the tree structure? > > Even if existing CMSes require customization, I think it'd be better to > work with that project and try to get them involved in the feature. As > far as I know, the only CMS you've really tried is Drupal. > > Both Bricolage and Framewerk are intimate with the PostgreSQL community > and > could be counted on to work with you. I don't think you even looked at > Bricolage after Marc set it up. > > I also don't think you've evaluated "more time to implement" using valid > criteria. If you do a custom CMS, you're going to need to impement all of > the common stuff yourself: > Authentication > User management (including "e-mail me my password, etc.") > Approval/rights structures > Versioning admin > Editors (inc. wyswyg and/or bbcode edit) > RSS > etc. > Did your really add up coding all of the above compared to customizing an > existing system? > > Again, I'm not trying to discourage you, but from my perspective half a > CMS > is worse than none. > > --Josh > > -- > --Josh > > Josh Berkus > Aglio Database Solutions > San Francisco > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 9: In versions below 8.0, the planner will ignore your desire to > choose an index scan if your joining column's datatypes do not > match From gmr@ehpg.net Thu Jun 4 16:26:23 2026 X-Original-To: pgsql-www-postgresql.org@localhost.postgresql.org Received: from localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) by svr1.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67F54D9D25 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 17:03:02 -0300 (ADT) Received: from svr1.postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 88851-03 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 20:02:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from tetra.ehpg.net (tetra2.ehpg.net [65.19.161.8]) by svr1.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C669D9D23 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 17:02:56 -0300 (ADT) Received: from dsl081-087-203.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net ([64.81.87.203]) by tetra.ehpg.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.50) id 1EIAnw-00080k-Vr; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 13:02:57 -0700 In-Reply-To: <200509211952.j8LJqe3C059567@smtp-vbr15.xs4all.nl> References: <200509211952.j8LJqe3C059567@smtp-vbr15.xs4all.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2C5C4B05-B6D8-4D55-9313-4EB39F2AE51B@ehpg.net> Cc: , , "'Magnus Hagander'" , "'Dave Page'" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Gavin M. Roy" Subject: Re: PGDN and CVS Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 13:02:54 -0700 To: "Gevik babakhani" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at hub.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 required=5 tests=[none] X-Spam-Level: X-Archive-Number: 200509/59 X-Sequence-Number: 8573 Yes, is my pet project. I'll send you some info on the framewerk list. Gavin On Sep 21, 2005, at 12:52 PM, Gevik babakhani wrote: > Is this Framewerk the same as www.Framewerk.org? > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: pgsql-www-owner@postgresql.org [mailto:pgsql-www- >> owner@postgresql.org] On Behalf Of Josh Berkus >> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2005 9:15 PM >> To: Gevik babakhani >> Cc: pgsql-www@postgresql.org; 'Magnus Hagander'; 'Dave Page' >> Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] PGDN and CVS >> >> Gevik, >> >> >>> I'm not discouraged in anyway... I have just been looking over >>> and over >>> for a CMS that we could use in our project. Time after time I end up >>> with commercial products. And even if they are opensource, they >>> need to >>> be so much customized that one has to put more time in >>> customizing the >>> CMS framework rather than building the actual requirement. >>> >> >> What is it you're trying to implement, exactly, that you don't find >> supported? Is it the tree structure? >> >> Even if existing CMSes require customization, I think it'd be >> better to >> work with that project and try to get them involved in the >> feature. As >> far as I know, the only CMS you've really tried is Drupal. >> >> Both Bricolage and Framewerk are intimate with the PostgreSQL >> community >> and >> could be counted on to work with you. I don't think you even >> looked at >> Bricolage after Marc set it up. >> >> I also don't think you've evaluated "more time to implement" using >> valid >> criteria. If you do a custom CMS, you're going to need to >> impement all of >> the common stuff yourself: >> Authentication >> User management (including "e-mail me my password, etc.") >> Approval/rights structures >> Versioning admin >> Editors (inc. wyswyg and/or bbcode edit) >> RSS >> etc. >> Did your really add up coding all of the above compared to >> customizing an >> existing system? >> >> Again, I'm not trying to discourage you, but from my perspective >> half a >> CMS >> is worse than none. >> >> --Josh >> >> -- >> --Josh >> >> Josh Berkus >> Aglio Database Solutions >> San Francisco >> >> ---------------------------(end of >> broadcast)--------------------------- >> TIP 9: In versions below 8.0, the planner will ignore your desire to >> choose an index scan if your joining column's datatypes do not >> match >> > > > ---------------------------(end of > broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 6: explain analyze is your friend > Gavin M. Roy 800 Pound Gorilla gmr@ehpg.net From josh@agliodbs.com Thu Jun 4 16:26:23 2026 X-Original-To: pgsql-www-postgresql.org@localhost.postgresql.org Received: from localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) by svr1.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55D7DD9D18 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 17:02:34 -0300 (ADT) Received: from svr1.postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 86688-08 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 20:02:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from davinci.ethosmedia.com (server227.ethosmedia.com [209.128.84.227]) by svr1.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43A72D9D12 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 17:02:26 -0300 (ADT) X-EthosMedia-Virus-Scanned: no infections found Received: from [63.195.55.98] (account josh@agliodbs.com HELO spooky) by davinci.ethosmedia.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with ESMTP id 8130634; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 13:04:49 -0700 From: Josh Berkus Organization: Aglio Database Solutions To: "Gevik babakhani" Subject: Re: PGDN and CVS Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 13:03:44 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 Cc: pgsql-www@postgresql.org, "'Magnus Hagander'" , "'Dave Page'" References: <200509211952.j8LJqe3C059567@smtp-vbr15.xs4all.nl> In-Reply-To: <200509211952.j8LJqe3C059567@smtp-vbr15.xs4all.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200509211303.45249.josh@agliodbs.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at hub.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.011 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.011] X-Spam-Level: X-Archive-Number: 200509/58 X-Sequence-Number: 8572 Gevik, > I just want to get my hands building :):) Oh, I can understand your frustration. I often feel the same way when dealing with GForge. However, I have a realistic idea on how long it would take to implement all the Administrative Crap We Can't Live Without. > Is this Framewerk the same as www.Framewerk.org? Yes. Looks like Gavin has taken the site down pending the release of the new version. Framewerk doesn't have much of a community (yet) but has the advantage of having the lead developer on this list (hi, Gavin!). It's also taken care of the admin overhead like users and permissions and stuff. So if you can't deal with Bric because it's Perl & Template toolkit, then I'd talk to Gavin about extending Framewerk. But please, please, please don't start from scratch! -- Josh Berkus Aglio Database Solutions San Francisco From dpage@vale-housing.co.uk Thu Jun 4 16:26:25 2026 X-Original-To: pgsql-www-postgresql.org@localhost.postgresql.org Received: from localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) by svr1.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4928D9B9E for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 17:09:01 -0300 (ADT) Received: from svr1.postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 90658-01 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 20:08:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by svr1.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DDB6D9CF9 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 17:08:55 -0300 (ADT) Received: from mailgate.vale-housing.co.uk ([194.217.48.34] helo=vale-housing.co.uk) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EIAtl-000J7e-0b for pgsql-www@postgresql.org; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 20:08:57 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: PGDN and CVS Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 21:08:56 +0100 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [pgsql-www] PGDN and CVS Thread-Index: AcW+4ImTQtwfJyjBRhCf/3KO1HDKWAABVcvgAAB3b4A= From: "Dave Page" To: "Gevik babakhani" , Cc: , "Magnus Hagander" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at hub.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.053 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.053] X-Spam-Level: X-Archive-Number: 200509/61 X-Sequence-Number: 8575 =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Gevik babakhani [mailto:gevik@xs4all.nl]=20 > Sent: 21 September 2005 20:53 > To: josh@agliodbs.com > Cc: pgsql-www@postgresql.org; 'Magnus Hagander'; Dave Page > Subject: RE: [pgsql-www] PGDN and CVS >=20 > Is this Framewerk the same as www.Framewerk.org? Yes - as you've probably already seen by know Gavin the lead is well known around these parts :-) Actually from what I know of it, it may well be a particularly good choice for this project. My understanding is that it is more of a framework (hence the name I guess!) for building sites on than a ready-to-run CMS, thus giving you many of the boring-to-build bits in a ready to use form, but allowing you to get your hands dirty getting it to work just as required. Regards, Dave. From gevik@xs4all.nl Thu Jun 4 16:26:23 2026 X-Original-To: pgsql-www-postgresql.org@localhost.postgresql.org Received: from localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) by svr1.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39185D9D42 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 17:10:13 -0300 (ADT) Received: from svr1.postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 90305-03 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 20:10:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp-vbr7.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr7.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.27]) by svr1.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2141CD9CF9 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 17:10:01 -0300 (ADT) Received: from gevbook (213-84-4-128.adsl.xs4all.nl [213.84.4.128]) by smtp-vbr7.xs4all.nl (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j8LK9x2a083375; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 22:09:59 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from gevik@xs4all.nl) Message-Id: <200509212009.j8LK9x2a083375@smtp-vbr7.xs4all.nl> From: "Gevik babakhani" To: "'Josh Berkus'" , "'Gevik babakhani'" Cc: , "'Magnus Hagander'" , "'Dave Page'" Subject: Re: PGDN and CVS Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 22:10:01 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <200509211303.45249.josh@agliodbs.com> Thread-Index: AcW+52a41ds8TtAaRx2IiyvDs1jVcgAAQO+A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.1830 X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at hub.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.039 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.039] X-Spam-Level: X-Archive-Number: 200509/62 X-Sequence-Number: 8576 Agreed :) > -----Original Message----- > From: Josh Berkus [mailto:josh@agliodbs.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2005 10:04 PM > To: Gevik babakhani > Cc: pgsql-www@postgresql.org; 'Magnus Hagander'; 'Dave Page' > Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] PGDN and CVS > > Gevik, > > > I just want to get my hands building :):) > > Oh, I can understand your frustration. I often feel the same way when > dealing with GForge. However, I have a realistic idea on how long it > would > take to implement all the Administrative Crap We Can't Live Without. > > > Is this Framewerk the same as www.Framewerk.org? > > Yes. Looks like Gavin has taken the site down pending the release of the > new > version. Framewerk doesn't have much of a community (yet) but has the > advantage of having the lead developer on this list (hi, Gavin!). It's > also > taken care of the admin overhead like users and permissions and stuff. > > So if you can't deal with Bric because it's Perl & Template toolkit, then > I'd > talk to Gavin about extending Framewerk. > > But please, please, please don't start from scratch! > > -- > Josh Berkus > Aglio Database Solutions > San Francisco