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* Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro
@ 2022-01-04 15:42 Jonathan Wright <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 16:13 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Jonathan S. Katz <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 16:23 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Tom Lane <[email protected]>
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From: Jonathan Wright @ 2022-01-04 15:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: [email protected]
Hi,
My name is Jonathan Wright and I'm in the Infrastructure Team Lead for
AlmaLinux. I/we use Postgres (naturally) and today I noticed that
AlmaLinux is missing as a specifically listed supported distro at
https://www.postgresql.org/download/ and
https://www.postgresql.org/download/linux/redhat/
I see that Rocky was added which is great, but I think it would also be
appropriate to add AlmaLinux. Alma and Rocky are on about equal footing in
terms of adoption and both are major players in the RHEL rebuild arena at
the moment. It would be beneficial for users of both Postgres and Alma to
have the support specifically listed.
It looks like some minor adjustments to git.postgresql.org Git -
pgweb.git/commit
<https://git.postgresql.org/gitweb/?p=pgweb.git;a=commit;h=3ac212ee88892935d641bdcc44af90cf9f19b800;
and git.postgresql.org Git - pgweb.git/commit
<https://git.postgresql.org/gitweb/?p=pgweb.git;a=commit;h=0244db1d5579f14fdffba64db5191f994926e678;
would
do the trick!
Please let me know if I can help in any way to facilitate this :)
--
Jonathan Wright
AlmaLinux Foundation
Mattermost: chat <https://chat.almalinux.org/almalinux/messages/@jonathan;
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* Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro
2022-01-04 15:42 Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Jonathan Wright <[email protected]>
@ 2022-01-04 16:13 ` Jonathan S. Katz <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 16:24 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Jonathan Wright <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 16:35 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Devrim Gündüz <[email protected]>
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From: Jonathan S. Katz @ 2022-01-04 16:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Jonathan Wright <[email protected]>; [email protected]; +Cc: [email protected]
+Devrim
On 1/4/22 10:42 AM, Jonathan Wright wrote:
> Hi,
>
> My name is Jonathan Wright and I'm in the Infrastructure Team Lead for
> AlmaLinux. I/we use Postgres (naturally)
Glad to hear it!
> and today I noticed that
> AlmaLinux is missing as a specifically listed supported distro at
> https://www.postgresql.org/download/
> <https://www.postgresql.org/download/; and
> https://www.postgresql.org/download/linux/redhat/
> <https://www.postgresql.org/download/linux/redhat/;
>
> I see that Rocky was added which is great, but I think it would also be
> appropriate to add AlmaLinux. Alma and Rocky are on about equal footing
> in terms of adoption and both are major players in the RHEL rebuild
> arena at the moment. It would be beneficial for users of both Postgres
> and Alma to have the support specifically listed.
I defer to Devrim on if the PostgreSQL YUM Repo supports AlmaLinux. I
did see some random Internet instructions that shows how to install
packages from the PostgreSQL YUM repo onto AlmaLinux systems.
For the OS distro, do you have a reference to which PostgreSQL packages
are available natively in Alma? I wasn't able to find it in my five
minutes of searching (though I did find the repo list)[1].
Thanks,
Jonathan
[1] https://wiki.almalinux.org/repos/AlmaLinux.html
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* Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro
2022-01-04 15:42 Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Jonathan Wright <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 16:13 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Jonathan S. Katz <[email protected]>
@ 2022-01-04 16:24 ` Jonathan Wright <[email protected]>
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From: Jonathan Wright @ 2022-01-04 16:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Jonathan S. Katz <[email protected]>; +Cc: [email protected]; [email protected]
On Tue, Jan 4, 2022 at 10:13 AM Jonathan S. Katz <[email protected]>
wrote:
> +Devrim
>
> On 1/4/22 10:42 AM, Jonathan Wright wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > My name is Jonathan Wright and I'm in the Infrastructure Team Lead for
> > AlmaLinux. I/we use Postgres (naturally)
>
> Glad to hear it!
>
> > and today I noticed that
> > AlmaLinux is missing as a specifically listed supported distro at
> > https://www.postgresql.org/download/
> > <https://www.postgresql.org/download/; and
> > https://www.postgresql.org/download/linux/redhat/
> > <https://www.postgresql.org/download/linux/redhat/;
> >
> > I see that Rocky was added which is great, but I think it would also be
> > appropriate to add AlmaLinux. Alma and Rocky are on about equal footing
> > in terms of adoption and both are major players in the RHEL rebuild
> > arena at the moment. It would be beneficial for users of both Postgres
> > and Alma to have the support specifically listed.
>
> I defer to Devrim on if the PostgreSQL YUM Repo supports AlmaLinux. I
> did see some random Internet instructions that shows how to install
> packages from the PostgreSQL YUM repo onto AlmaLinux systems.
>
> For the OS distro, do you have a reference to which PostgreSQL packages
> are available natively in Alma? I wasn't able to find it in my five
> minutes of searching (though I did find the repo list)[1].
>
Same as upstream/RHEL.
[root@mirror01-ga ~]# dnf module list postgresql
Last metadata expiration check: 1:03:01 ago on Tue Jan 4 10:18:16 2022.
AlmaLinux 8 - AppStream
Name Stream
Profiles Summary
postgresql 9.6
client, server [d] PostgreSQL server
and client module
postgresql 10 [d]
client, server [d] PostgreSQL server
and client module
postgresql 12
client, server [d] PostgreSQL server
and client module
postgresql 13
client, server [d] PostgreSQL server
and client module
Exact packages change based on which module stream is enabled.
[root@mirror01-ga ~]# yum list postgresql*
Last metadata expiration check: 1:05:18 ago on Tue Jan 4 10:18:16 2022.
Available Packages
postgresql.x86_64 10.17-2.module_el8.5.0+2551+8dca950a
appstream
postgresql-contrib.x86_64 10.17-2.module_el8.5.0+2551+8dca950a
appstream
postgresql-docs.x86_64 10.17-2.module_el8.5.0+2551+8dca950a
appstream
postgresql-jdbc.noarch 42.2.3-3.el8_2
appstream
postgresql-jdbc-javadoc.noarch 42.2.3-3.el8_2
appstream
postgresql-odbc.x86_64 10.03.0000-2.el8
appstream
postgresql-odbc-tests.x86_64 10.03.0000-2.el8
appstream
postgresql-plperl.x86_64 10.17-2.module_el8.5.0+2551+8dca950a
appstream
postgresql-plpython3.x86_64 10.17-2.module_el8.5.0+2551+8dca950a
appstream
postgresql-pltcl.x86_64 10.17-2.module_el8.5.0+2551+8dca950a
appstream
postgresql-server.x86_64 10.17-2.module_el8.5.0+2551+8dca950a
appstream
postgresql-server-devel.x86_64 10.17-2.module_el8.5.0+2551+8dca950a
appstream
postgresql-static.x86_64 10.17-2.module_el8.5.0+2551+8dca950a
appstream
postgresql-test.x86_64 10.17-2.module_el8.5.0+2551+8dca950a
appstream
postgresql-test-rpm-macros.x86_64 10.17-2.module_el8.5.0+2551+8dca950a
appstream
postgresql-upgrade.x86_64 10.17-2.module_el8.5.0+2551+8dca950a
appstream
postgresql-upgrade-devel.x86_64 10.17-2.module_el8.5.0+2551+8dca950a
appstream
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jonathan
>
> [1] https://wiki.almalinux.org/repos/AlmaLinux.html
>
--
Jonathan Wright
AlmaLinux Foundation
Mattermost: chat <https://chat.almalinux.org/almalinux/messages/@jonathan;
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* Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro
2022-01-04 15:42 Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Jonathan Wright <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 16:13 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Jonathan S. Katz <[email protected]>
@ 2022-01-04 16:35 ` Devrim Gündüz <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 16:38 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Jonathan Wright <[email protected]>
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From: Devrim Gündüz @ 2022-01-04 16:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Jonathan S. Katz <[email protected]>; Jonathan Wright <[email protected]>; [email protected]
Hi,
On Tue, 2022-01-04 at 11:13 -0500, Jonathan S. Katz wrote:
> I defer to Devrim on if the PostgreSQL YUM Repo supports AlmaLinux. I
> did see some random Internet instructions that shows how to install
> packages from the PostgreSQL YUM repo onto AlmaLinux systems.
I build packages on RHEL 8 and then test on Rocky 8, like I used to
test on CentOS 8 in the past. I know that many people want to see Alma
Linux as a supported distro, but at some point I had to make a decision
which clone should be the "main" supported one -- and that's Rocky
Linux.
(I'm not going to start a discussion about who are behind two distros,
as this won't be a technical one, and also not related to this list).
I'm quite sure that packages will work on Alma Linux, but no intention
to test the packages on yet-another-clone.
-HTH
Regards,
--
Devrim Gündüz
Open Source Solution Architect, Red Hat Certified Engineer
Twitter: @DevrimGunduz , @DevrimGunduzTR
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2022-01-04 15:42 Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Jonathan Wright <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 16:13 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Jonathan S. Katz <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 16:35 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Devrim Gündüz <[email protected]>
@ 2022-01-04 16:38 ` Jonathan Wright <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 17:00 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Devrim Gündüz <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 19:09 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Alvaro Herrera <[email protected]>
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From: Jonathan Wright @ 2022-01-04 16:38 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Devrim Gündüz <[email protected]>; +Cc: Jonathan S. Katz <[email protected]>; [email protected]
On Tue, Jan 4, 2022 at 10:35 AM Devrim Gündüz <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Tue, 2022-01-04 at 11:13 -0500, Jonathan S. Katz wrote:
> > I defer to Devrim on if the PostgreSQL YUM Repo supports AlmaLinux. I
> > did see some random Internet instructions that shows how to install
> > packages from the PostgreSQL YUM repo onto AlmaLinux systems.
>
> I build packages on RHEL 8 and then test on Rocky 8, like I used to
> test on CentOS 8 in the past. I know that many people want to see Alma
> Linux as a supported distro, but at some point I had to make a decision
> which clone should be the "main" supported one -- and that's Rocky
> Linux.
>
> (I'm not going to start a discussion about who are behind two distros,
> as this won't be a technical one, and also not related to this list).
>
> I'm quite sure that packages will work on Alma Linux, but no intention
> to test the packages on yet-another-clone.
>
Makes sense. All of the clones are supposed to be binary compatible so
testing across tons of them would be mostly a waste of time.
I'm happy to set up a build node on Alma and add it to the build farm if
that helps everyone feel better about listing Alma as well.
>
> -HTH
>
> Regards,
> --
> Devrim Gündüz
> Open Source Solution Architect, Red Hat Certified Engineer
> Twitter: @DevrimGunduz , @DevrimGunduzTR
>
--
Jonathan Wright
AlmaLinux Foundation
Mattermost: chat <https://chat.almalinux.org/almalinux/messages/@jonathan;
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* Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro
2022-01-04 15:42 Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Jonathan Wright <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 16:13 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Jonathan S. Katz <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 16:35 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Devrim Gündüz <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 16:38 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Jonathan Wright <[email protected]>
@ 2022-01-04 17:00 ` Devrim Gündüz <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 17:01 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Jonathan Wright <[email protected]>
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From: Devrim Gündüz @ 2022-01-04 17:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Jonathan Wright <[email protected]>; +Cc: Jonathan S. Katz <[email protected]>; [email protected]
Hi,
On Tue, 2022-01-04 at 10:38 -0600, Jonathan Wright wrote:
> I'm happy to set up a build node on Alma and add it to the build farm
> if that helps everyone feel better about listing Alma as well.
Thanks, but we don't use external instances to build the RPMs for
security reasons -- what Tom mentioned was something else.
Regards,
--
Devrim Gündüz
Open Source Solution Architect, Red Hat Certified Engineer
Twitter: @DevrimGunduz , @DevrimGunduzTR
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* Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro
2022-01-04 15:42 Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Jonathan Wright <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 16:13 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Jonathan S. Katz <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 16:35 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Devrim Gündüz <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 16:38 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Jonathan Wright <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 17:00 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Devrim Gündüz <[email protected]>
@ 2022-01-04 17:01 ` Jonathan Wright <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 17:41 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Devrim Gündüz <[email protected]>
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From: Jonathan Wright @ 2022-01-04 17:01 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Devrim Gündüz <[email protected]>; +Cc: Jonathan S. Katz <[email protected]>; [email protected]
Gotcha. Anything I need to do for listing Alma then (realizing
tests/builds won't happen on it directly)? I send patches if needed.
On Tue, Jan 4, 2022 at 11:00 AM Devrim Gündüz <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Tue, 2022-01-04 at 10:38 -0600, Jonathan Wright wrote:
> > I'm happy to set up a build node on Alma and add it to the build farm
> > if that helps everyone feel better about listing Alma as well.
>
> Thanks, but we don't use external instances to build the RPMs for
> security reasons -- what Tom mentioned was something else.
>
> Regards,
> --
> Devrim Gündüz
> Open Source Solution Architect, Red Hat Certified Engineer
> Twitter: @DevrimGunduz , @DevrimGunduzTR
>
--
Jonathan Wright
AlmaLinux Foundation
Mattermost: chat <https://chat.almalinux.org/almalinux/messages/@jonathan;
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* Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro
2022-01-04 15:42 Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Jonathan Wright <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 16:13 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Jonathan S. Katz <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 16:35 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Devrim Gündüz <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 16:38 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Jonathan Wright <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 17:00 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Devrim Gündüz <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 17:01 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Jonathan Wright <[email protected]>
@ 2022-01-04 17:41 ` Devrim Gündüz <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 17:49 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Justin Clift <[email protected]>
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From: Devrim Gündüz @ 2022-01-04 17:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Jonathan Wright <[email protected]>; +Cc: Jonathan S. Katz <[email protected]>; [email protected]
Hi,
On Tue, 2022-01-04 at 11:01 -0600, Jonathan Wright wrote:
> Gotcha. Anything I need to do for listing Alma then (realizing
> tests/builds won't happen on it directly)? I send patches if needed.
As I explained before, unless community decides otherwise7, Rocky will
be listed there. I already buildpackages on 11 separate platforms (plus
Rocky for testing), and no intention to add another "clone".
Regards,
--
Devrim Gündüz
Open Source Solution Architect, Red Hat Certified Engineer
Twitter: @DevrimGunduz , @DevrimGunduzTR
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* Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro
2022-01-04 15:42 Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Jonathan Wright <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 16:13 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Jonathan S. Katz <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 16:35 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Devrim Gündüz <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 16:38 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Jonathan Wright <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 17:00 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Devrim Gündüz <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 17:01 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Jonathan Wright <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 17:41 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Devrim Gündüz <[email protected]>
@ 2022-01-04 17:49 ` Justin Clift <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 17:52 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Christophe Pettus <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 18:12 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Devrim Gündüz <[email protected]>
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From: Justin Clift @ 2022-01-04 17:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Devrim Gündüz <[email protected]>; +Cc: Jonathan Wright <[email protected]>; Jonathan S. Katz <[email protected]>; [email protected]
On 2022-01-05 04:41, Devrim Gündüz wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Tue, 2022-01-04 at 11:01 -0600, Jonathan Wright wrote:
>> Gotcha. Anything I need to do for listing Alma then (realizing
>> tests/builds won't happen on it directly)? I send patches if needed.
>
> As I explained before, unless community decides otherwise7, Rocky will
> be listed there. I already buildpackages on 11 separate platforms (plus
> Rocky for testing), and no intention to add another "clone".
Are we able to indicate on the download page that our CentOS RPMs
"should"
work on AlmaLinux, though we haven't tested it ourselves?
Seems a bit unfair to completely leave them off the list.
+ Justin
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* Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro
2022-01-04 15:42 Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Jonathan Wright <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 16:13 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Jonathan S. Katz <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 16:35 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Devrim Gündüz <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 16:38 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Jonathan Wright <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 17:00 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Devrim Gündüz <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 17:01 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Jonathan Wright <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 17:41 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Devrim Gündüz <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 17:49 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Justin Clift <[email protected]>
@ 2022-01-04 17:52 ` Christophe Pettus <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 18:00 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Jonathan Wright <[email protected]>
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From: Christophe Pettus @ 2022-01-04 17:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Justin Clift <[email protected]>; +Cc: Devrim Gündüz <[email protected]>; Jonathan Wright <[email protected]>; Jonathan S. Katz <[email protected]>; [email protected]
> On Jan 4, 2022, at 09:49, Justin Clift <[email protected]> wrote:
> Are we able to indicate on the download page that our CentOS RPMs "should"
> work on AlmaLinux, though we haven't tested it ourselves?
I think there would be a concern that if a community package doesn't work on Alma, for whatever reason, we're implying that we will provide support in some way. If we qualify it too much, it becomes "Alma exists" rather than useful information for the downloader.
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2022-01-04 15:42 Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Jonathan Wright <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 16:13 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Jonathan S. Katz <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 16:35 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Devrim Gündüz <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 16:38 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Jonathan Wright <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 17:00 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Devrim Gündüz <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 17:01 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Jonathan Wright <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 17:41 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Devrim Gündüz <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 17:49 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Justin Clift <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 17:52 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Christophe Pettus <[email protected]>
@ 2022-01-04 18:00 ` Jonathan Wright <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 18:16 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Tom Lane <[email protected]>
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From: Jonathan Wright @ 2022-01-04 18:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Christophe Pettus <[email protected]>; +Cc: Justin Clift <[email protected]>; Devrim Gündüz <[email protected]>; Jonathan S. Katz <[email protected]>; [email protected]
On Tue, Jan 4, 2022 at 11:53 AM Christophe Pettus <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> > On Jan 4, 2022, at 09:49, Justin Clift <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Are we able to indicate on the download page that our CentOS RPMs
> "should"
> > work on AlmaLinux, though we haven't tested it ourselves?
>
> I think there would be a concern that if a community package doesn't work
> on Alma, for whatever reason, we're implying that we will provide support
> in some way. If we qualify it too much, it becomes "Alma exists" rather
> than useful information for the downloader.
Do you really want to exclude a large portion of the RHEL-clone userbase
though? Oracle Linux is listed yet Alma has a much larger user base so I
don't really understand the argument here.
It also sounds odd to not want to support someone just because they're
running Alma (or some other non-listed RHEL clone like say VZLinux). Since
Rocky/Alma/Oracle/etc. are all binary compatible clones of RHEL any bug on
one should exist on the others. It would benefit everyone overall to just
treat them all the same instead of picking one favorite and in a sense
excluding others. Building/testing is one thing but all of the clones that
are indeed full clones should be treated the same from a community/support
standpoint - for the benefit of users. Almost all other software and open
source projects out there have taken this stance, even if they have a
primary for building/testing.
--
Jonathan Wright
AlmaLinux Foundation
Mattermost: chat <https://chat.almalinux.org/almalinux/messages/@jonathan;
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2022-01-04 16:35 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Devrim Gündüz <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 16:38 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Jonathan Wright <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 17:00 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Devrim Gündüz <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 17:01 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Jonathan Wright <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 17:41 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Devrim Gündüz <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 17:49 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Justin Clift <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 17:52 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Christophe Pettus <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 18:00 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Jonathan Wright <[email protected]>
@ 2022-01-04 18:16 ` Tom Lane <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 18:17 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Christophe Pettus <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 18:22 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Devrim Gündüz <[email protected]>
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From: Tom Lane @ 2022-01-04 18:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Jonathan Wright <[email protected]>; +Cc: Christophe Pettus <[email protected]>; Justin Clift <[email protected]>; Devrim Gündüz <[email protected]>; Jonathan S. Katz <[email protected]>; [email protected]
Jonathan Wright <[email protected]> writes:
> On Tue, Jan 4, 2022 at 11:53 AM Christophe Pettus <[email protected]> wrote:
>> I think there would be a concern that if a community package doesn't work
>> on Alma, for whatever reason, we're implying that we will provide support
>> in some way. If we qualify it too much, it becomes "Alma exists" rather
>> than useful information for the downloader.
> Do you really want to exclude a large portion of the RHEL-clone userbase
> though? Oracle Linux is listed yet Alma has a much larger user base so I
> don't really understand the argument here.
I don't know the relative sizes of the user bases, but I think it would
be fair to have the download page list only the distro(s) Devrim actually
tests on, and then say something like "The RHEL packages should work on
other binary-compatible RHEL clone distros, but we don't test that".
regards, tom lane
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* Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro
2022-01-04 15:42 Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Jonathan Wright <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 16:13 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Jonathan S. Katz <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 16:35 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Devrim Gündüz <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 16:38 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Jonathan Wright <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 17:00 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Devrim Gündüz <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 17:01 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Jonathan Wright <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 17:41 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Devrim Gündüz <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 17:49 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Justin Clift <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 17:52 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Christophe Pettus <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 18:00 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Jonathan Wright <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 18:16 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Tom Lane <[email protected]>
@ 2022-01-04 18:17 ` Christophe Pettus <[email protected]>
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From: Christophe Pettus @ 2022-01-04 18:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Tom Lane <[email protected]>; +Cc: Jonathan Wright <[email protected]>; Justin Clift <[email protected]>; Devrim Gündüz <[email protected]>; Jonathan S. Katz <[email protected]>; [email protected]
> On Jan 4, 2022, at 10:16, Tom Lane <[email protected]> wrote:
> I think it would
> be fair to have the download page list only the distro(s) Devrim actually
> tests on, and then say something like "The RHEL packages should work on
> other binary-compatible RHEL clone distros, but we don't test that".
+1.
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* Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro
2022-01-04 15:42 Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Jonathan Wright <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 16:13 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Jonathan S. Katz <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 16:35 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Devrim Gündüz <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 16:38 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Jonathan Wright <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 17:00 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Devrim Gündüz <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 17:01 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Jonathan Wright <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 17:41 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Devrim Gündüz <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 17:49 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Justin Clift <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 17:52 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Christophe Pettus <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 18:00 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Jonathan Wright <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 18:16 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Tom Lane <[email protected]>
@ 2022-01-04 18:22 ` Devrim Gündüz <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 18:52 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Jonathan S. Katz <[email protected]>
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From: Devrim Gündüz @ 2022-01-04 18:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Tom Lane <[email protected]>; Jonathan Wright <[email protected]>; +Cc: Christophe Pettus <[email protected]>; Justin Clift <[email protected]>; Jonathan S. Katz <[email protected]>; [email protected]
Hi,
On Tue, 2022-01-04 at 13:16 -0500, Tom Lane wrote:
> I don't know the relative sizes of the user bases, but I think it
> would be fair to have the download page list only the distro(s)
> Devrim actually tests on, and then say something like "The RHEL
> packages should work on other binary-compatible RHEL clone distros,
> but we don't test that".
+1 .
Regards,
--
Devrim Gündüz
Open Source Solution Architect, Red Hat Certified Engineer
Twitter: @DevrimGunduz , @DevrimGunduzTR
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* Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro
2022-01-04 15:42 Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Jonathan Wright <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 16:13 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Jonathan S. Katz <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 16:35 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Devrim Gündüz <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 16:38 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Jonathan Wright <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 17:00 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Devrim Gündüz <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 17:01 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Jonathan Wright <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 17:41 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Devrim Gündüz <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 17:49 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Justin Clift <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 17:52 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Christophe Pettus <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 18:00 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Jonathan Wright <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 18:16 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Tom Lane <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 18:22 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Devrim Gündüz <[email protected]>
@ 2022-01-04 18:52 ` Jonathan S. Katz <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 19:03 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Devrim Gündüz <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 19:55 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Stephen Frost <[email protected]>
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From: Jonathan S. Katz @ 2022-01-04 18:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Devrim Gündüz <[email protected]>; Tom Lane <[email protected]>; Jonathan Wright <[email protected]>; +Cc: Christophe Pettus <[email protected]>; Justin Clift <[email protected]>; [email protected]
On 1/4/22 1:22 PM, Devrim Gündüz wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Tue, 2022-01-04 at 13:16 -0500, Tom Lane wrote:
>> I don't know the relative sizes of the user bases, but I think it
>> would be fair to have the download page list only the distro(s)
>> Devrim actually tests on, and then say something like "The RHEL
>> packages should work on other binary-compatible RHEL clone distros,
>> but we don't test that".
>
> +1 .
So, I want to back this up a minute.
There are two places where the language is being discussed.
First, on "Downloads"[1], if you click "Linux", you'll see a few panes,
including one that says "Red Hat / Rocky / CentOS". I believe those 3
are amongst those that Devrim explicitly tests the packages against. If
there are more, they are encompassed underneath.
At this point, I would be -1 changing anything on #1 unless it adds more
clarity to how users download. I looked at the data YoY, and clicks to
the RHEL download page are up ~100%, which seems to indicate to leave
things as is for the moment.
Then, there is the RHEL page[2] itself. It's divided into two sections:
- PostgreSQL Yum Repository
- Included in Distribution
IMV, I think it's fair to include Alma Linux in the "included in
distribution", though per Tom's point we may want to ensure we have at
least one buildfarm animal hitting it. However, we should make it clear
what distributions Devrim test against, and perhaps add that disclaimer
to the bottom of that list.
Or, at the top of the page where we list out distributions, we can add
that line below.
Thoughts?
Thanks,
Jonathan
[1] https://www.postgresql.org/download/
[2] https://www.postgresql.org/download/linux/redhat/
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* Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro
2022-01-04 15:42 Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Jonathan Wright <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 16:13 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Jonathan S. Katz <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 16:35 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Devrim Gündüz <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 16:38 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Jonathan Wright <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 17:00 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Devrim Gündüz <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 17:01 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Jonathan Wright <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 17:41 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Devrim Gündüz <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 17:49 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Justin Clift <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 17:52 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Christophe Pettus <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 18:00 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Jonathan Wright <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 18:16 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Tom Lane <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 18:22 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Devrim Gündüz <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 18:52 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Jonathan S. Katz <[email protected]>
@ 2022-01-04 19:03 ` Devrim Gündüz <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 19:06 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Jonathan S. Katz <[email protected]>
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From: Devrim Gündüz @ 2022-01-04 19:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Jonathan S. Katz <[email protected]>; Tom Lane <[email protected]>; Jonathan Wright <[email protected]>; +Cc: Christophe Pettus <[email protected]>; Justin Clift <[email protected]>; [email protected]
Hi,
On Tue, 2022-01-04 at 13:52 -0500, Jonathan S. Katz wrote:
>
> [1] https://www.postgresql.org/download/
> [2] https://www.postgresql.org/download/linux/redhat/
(Slightly offtopic, but... )FWIW I *just* committed a few changes to
both of these, and made clear that we don't support CentOS 8 anymore.
Regards,
--
Devrim Gündüz
Open Source Solution Architect, Red Hat Certified Engineer
Twitter: @DevrimGunduz , @DevrimGunduzTR
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* Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro
2022-01-04 15:42 Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Jonathan Wright <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 16:13 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Jonathan S. Katz <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 16:35 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Devrim Gündüz <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 16:38 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Jonathan Wright <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 17:00 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Devrim Gündüz <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 17:01 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Jonathan Wright <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 17:41 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Devrim Gündüz <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 17:49 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Justin Clift <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 17:52 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Christophe Pettus <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 18:00 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Jonathan Wright <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 18:16 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Tom Lane <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 18:22 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Devrim Gündüz <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 18:52 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Jonathan S. Katz <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 19:03 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Devrim Gündüz <[email protected]>
@ 2022-01-04 19:06 ` Jonathan S. Katz <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 19:17 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Jonathan S. Katz <[email protected]>
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From: Jonathan S. Katz @ 2022-01-04 19:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Devrim Gündüz <[email protected]>; Tom Lane <[email protected]>; Jonathan Wright <[email protected]>; +Cc: Christophe Pettus <[email protected]>; Justin Clift <[email protected]>; [email protected]
On 1/4/22 2:03 PM, Devrim Gündüz wrote:
> (Slightly offtopic, but... )FWIW I *just* committed a few changes to
> both of these, and made clear that we don't support CentOS 8 anymore.
(...and I just commented on that change ;) I think it needs to be
reverted and we need to agree to how we want to present that point as well).
Jonathan
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* Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro
2022-01-04 15:42 Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Jonathan Wright <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 16:13 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Jonathan S. Katz <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 16:35 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Devrim Gündüz <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 16:38 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Jonathan Wright <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 17:00 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Devrim Gündüz <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 17:01 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Jonathan Wright <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 17:41 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Devrim Gündüz <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 17:49 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Justin Clift <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 17:52 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Christophe Pettus <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 18:00 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Jonathan Wright <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 18:16 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Tom Lane <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 18:22 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Devrim Gündüz <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 18:52 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Jonathan S. Katz <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 19:03 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Devrim Gündüz <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 19:06 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Jonathan S. Katz <[email protected]>
@ 2022-01-04 19:17 ` Jonathan S. Katz <[email protected]>
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From: Jonathan S. Katz @ 2022-01-04 19:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Devrim Gündüz <[email protected]>; Tom Lane <[email protected]>; Jonathan Wright <[email protected]>; +Cc: Christophe Pettus <[email protected]>; Justin Clift <[email protected]>; [email protected]
On 1/4/22 2:06 PM, Jonathan S. Katz wrote:
> On 1/4/22 2:03 PM, Devrim Gündüz wrote:
>
>> (Slightly offtopic, but... )FWIW I *just* committed a few changes to
>> both of these, and made clear that we don't support CentOS 8 anymore.
>
> (...and I just commented on that change ;) I think it needs to be
> reverted and we need to agree to how we want to present that point as
> well).
(Err, revert my comment to revert. I misread one line in the commit Sorry!)
Jonathan
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* Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro
2022-01-04 15:42 Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Jonathan Wright <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 16:13 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Jonathan S. Katz <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 16:35 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Devrim Gündüz <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 16:38 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Jonathan Wright <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 17:00 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Devrim Gündüz <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 17:01 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Jonathan Wright <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 17:41 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Devrim Gündüz <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 17:49 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Justin Clift <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 17:52 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Christophe Pettus <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 18:00 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Jonathan Wright <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 18:16 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Tom Lane <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 18:22 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Devrim Gündüz <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 18:52 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Jonathan S. Katz <[email protected]>
@ 2022-01-04 19:55 ` Stephen Frost <[email protected]>
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From: Stephen Frost @ 2022-01-04 19:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Jonathan S. Katz <[email protected]>; +Cc: Devrim Gündüz <[email protected]>; Tom Lane <[email protected]>; Jonathan Wright <[email protected]>; Christophe Pettus <[email protected]>; Justin Clift <[email protected]>; [email protected]
Greetings,
* Jonathan S. Katz ([email protected]) wrote:
> On 1/4/22 1:22 PM, Devrim Gündüz wrote:
> >On Tue, 2022-01-04 at 13:16 -0500, Tom Lane wrote:
> >>I don't know the relative sizes of the user bases, but I think it
> >>would be fair to have the download page list only the distro(s)
> >>Devrim actually tests on, and then say something like "The RHEL
> >>packages should work on other binary-compatible RHEL clone distros,
> >>but we don't test that".
> >
> >+1 .
>
> So, I want to back this up a minute.
>
> There are two places where the language is being discussed.
>
> First, on "Downloads"[1], if you click "Linux", you'll see a few panes,
> including one that says "Red Hat / Rocky / CentOS". I believe those 3 are
> amongst those that Devrim explicitly tests the packages against. If there
> are more, they are encompassed underneath.
I find it interesting that clicking on that brings you to a page with
"Linux downloads (Red Hat family)" as the title. Why not make that be
what the link is, so that they are then consistent..? That is, change
"Red Hat / Rocky / CentOS" to "Red Hat family" on /download.
> At this point, I would be -1 changing anything on #1 unless it adds more
> clarity to how users download. I looked at the data YoY, and clicks to the
> RHEL download page are up ~100%, which seems to indicate to leave things as
> is for the moment.
> Then, there is the RHEL page[2] itself. It's divided into two sections:
>
> - PostgreSQL Yum Repository
> - Included in Distribution
>
> IMV, I think it's fair to include Alma Linux in the "included in
> distribution", though per Tom's point we may want to ensure we have at least
> one buildfarm animal hitting it. However, we should make it clear what
> distributions Devrim test against, and perhaps add that disclaimer to the
> bottom of that list.
Given the state of things and the proliferation of RHEL clones, we might
be better off stating more explicitly "this is what is tested" instead
of "this is what's supported." In the drop-down for platform, we would
then have something like "Red Hat Enterprise or Clone version 6/7/8/9".
Similar throughout the rest. Ideally, this would avoid us having to get
into these discussions in the future.
> Or, at the top of the page where we list out distributions, we can add that
> line below.
>
> Thoughts?
Only other thought I have is if we had any documentation around what the
exact testing that's done is and if we'd be willing to allow others the
opportunity to provide that testing, similar to what we do with the
buildfarm. Not saying that either is required but it might be a path to
allow us to have some website that's updated like the buildfarm is but
for the different platforms. I know we have the jenkins system for the
debs but that's not linked in anywhere and not sure if we'd want it to
be linked in directly vs. something that's cleaner and simpler that's
somehow automatically updated.
That last being just brain storming really, of course.
Thanks,
Stephen
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2022-01-04 15:42 Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Jonathan Wright <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 16:13 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Jonathan S. Katz <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 16:35 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Devrim Gündüz <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 16:38 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Jonathan Wright <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 17:00 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Devrim Gündüz <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 17:01 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Jonathan Wright <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 17:41 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Devrim Gündüz <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 17:49 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Justin Clift <[email protected]>
@ 2022-01-04 18:12 ` Devrim Gündüz <[email protected]>
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From: Devrim Gündüz @ 2022-01-04 18:12 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Justin Clift <[email protected]>; +Cc: Jonathan Wright <[email protected]>; Jonathan S. Katz <[email protected]>; [email protected]
Hi,
On Wed, 2022-01-05 at 04:49 +1100, Justin Clift wrote:
> Are we able to indicate on the download page that our CentOS RPMs
> "should" work on AlmaLinux, though we haven't tested it ourselves?
>
> Seems a bit unfair to completely leave them off the list.
I'm not against it as long as "should" word is there.
Regards,
--
Devrim Gündüz
Open Source Solution Architect, Red Hat Certified Engineer
Twitter: @DevrimGunduz , @DevrimGunduzTR
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* Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro
2022-01-04 15:42 Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Jonathan Wright <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 16:13 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Jonathan S. Katz <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 16:35 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Devrim Gündüz <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 16:38 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Jonathan Wright <[email protected]>
@ 2022-01-04 19:09 ` Alvaro Herrera <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 19:15 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Jonathan Wright <[email protected]>
2022-01-18 19:52 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Jonathan Wright <[email protected]>
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From: Alvaro Herrera @ 2022-01-04 19:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Jonathan Wright <[email protected]>; +Cc: Devrim Gündüz <[email protected]>; Jonathan S. Katz <[email protected]>; [email protected]
On 2022-Jan-04, Jonathan Wright wrote:
> I'm happy to set up a build node on Alma and add it to the build farm if
> that helps everyone feel better about listing Alma as well.
Please do! https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/PostgreSQL_Buildfarm_Howto
This doesn't produce packages for distribution -- what it does is report
continuously on build and test success or failure. If AlmaLinux
supports more than one hardware architecture, feel free to set up more
than one.
--
Álvaro Herrera
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2022-01-04 16:13 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Jonathan S. Katz <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 16:35 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Devrim Gündüz <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 16:38 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Jonathan Wright <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 19:09 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Alvaro Herrera <[email protected]>
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From: Jonathan Wright @ 2022-01-04 19:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Alvaro Herrera <[email protected]>; +Cc: Devrim Gündüz <[email protected]>; Jonathan S. Katz <[email protected]>; [email protected]
Will do! I'll have a registration request come through later today. I'll
see if I can get some build VMs on our PPC and ARM nodes as well.
On Tue, Jan 4, 2022 at 1:09 PM Alvaro Herrera <[email protected]>
wrote:
> On 2022-Jan-04, Jonathan Wright wrote:
>
> > I'm happy to set up a build node on Alma and add it to the build farm if
> > that helps everyone feel better about listing Alma as well.
>
> Please do! https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/PostgreSQL_Buildfarm_Howto
>
> This doesn't produce packages for distribution -- what it does is report
> continuously on build and test success or failure. If AlmaLinux
> supports more than one hardware architecture, feel free to set up more
> than one.
>
> --
> Álvaro Herrera
>
--
Jonathan Wright
AlmaLinux Foundation
Mattermost: chat <https://chat.almalinux.org/almalinux/messages/@jonathan;
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* Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro
2022-01-04 15:42 Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Jonathan Wright <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 16:13 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Jonathan S. Katz <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 16:35 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Devrim Gündüz <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 16:38 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Jonathan Wright <[email protected]>
2022-01-04 19:09 ` Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Alvaro Herrera <[email protected]>
@ 2022-01-18 19:52 ` Jonathan Wright <[email protected]>
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From: Jonathan Wright @ 2022-01-18 19:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Alvaro Herrera <[email protected]>; +Cc: Devrim Gündüz <[email protected]>; Jonathan S. Katz <[email protected]>; [email protected]
AlmaLinux buildfarm server has been up for a while now in case it was any
of the holdup here:
https://buildfarm.postgresql.org/cgi-bin/show_history.pl?nm=ciconia&br=HEAD
On Tue, Jan 4, 2022 at 1:09 PM Alvaro Herrera <[email protected]>
wrote:
> On 2022-Jan-04, Jonathan Wright wrote:
>
> > I'm happy to set up a build node on Alma and add it to the build farm if
> > that helps everyone feel better about listing Alma as well.
>
> Please do! https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/PostgreSQL_Buildfarm_Howto
>
> This doesn't produce packages for distribution -- what it does is report
> continuously on build and test success or failure. If AlmaLinux
> supports more than one hardware architecture, feel free to set up more
> than one.
>
> --
> Álvaro Herrera
>
--
Jonathan Wright
AlmaLinux Foundation
Mattermost: chat <https://chat.almalinux.org/almalinux/messages/@jonathan;
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* Re: Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro
2022-01-04 15:42 Add AlmaLinux as Specifically Supported Distro Jonathan Wright <[email protected]>
@ 2022-01-04 16:23 ` Tom Lane <[email protected]>
1 sibling, 0 replies; 24+ messages in thread
From: Tom Lane @ 2022-01-04 16:23 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Jonathan Wright <[email protected]>; +Cc: [email protected]
Jonathan Wright <[email protected]> writes:
> My name is Jonathan Wright and I'm in the Infrastructure Team Lead for
> AlmaLinux. I/we use Postgres (naturally) and today I noticed that
> AlmaLinux is missing as a specifically listed supported distro at
> https://www.postgresql.org/download/ and
> https://www.postgresql.org/download/linux/redhat/
> I see that Rocky was added which is great, but I think it would also be
> appropriate to add AlmaLinux.
Well, the reason Rocky is listed is that it *is* considered supported,
which is because somebody is running a buildfarm animal under that OS:
https://buildfarm.postgresql.org/cgi-bin/show_history.pl?nm=queensnake&br=HEAD
I don't see any animal running Alma, so claiming that it's supported
seems a bit premature. If you'd like to run such an animal, see
directions here:
https://buildfarm.postgresql.org/cgi-bin/register-form.pl
It's not terribly resource-consuming, if you set it up to run once a
day per branch, which is plenty for a platform that ought-to-work.
(There's a separate question of whether Devrim's RPMs will work
out-of-the-box on Alma, or whether it'll need its own build.)
regards, tom lane
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