Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.204.184]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5990E2E0051 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 19:26:34 -0300 (ADT) Received: from postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.184]) (amavisd-maia, port 10024) with ESMTP id 61301-10 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 19:26:25 -0300 (ADT) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.5 Received: from rn-out-0910.google.com (rn-out-0910.google.com [64.233.170.190]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C55852E003A for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 19:26:30 -0300 (ADT) Received: by rn-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id e11so913306rng.17 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:26:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.57.5 with SMTP id f5mr1168800yba.140.1206051989751; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:26:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.96.5 with HTTP; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:26:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <937d27e10803201526n5c8c0901icbae3729765e36e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 22:26:29 +0000 From: "Dave Page" To: "Bruce Momjian" Subject: Re: Time to get infrastructure team-based Cc: "PostgreSQL www" In-Reply-To: <200803202222.m2KMMs627372@momjian.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <937d27e10803201507ue1fdfe1p7a9310ba5518f357@mail.gmail.com> <200803202222.m2KMMs627372@momjian.us> X-Virus-Scanned: Maia Mailguard 1.0.1 X-Archive-Number: 200803/435 X-Sequence-Number: 14554 On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 10:22 PM, Bruce Momjian wrote: > Dave Page wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 10:00 PM, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > I saw your request for documentation on the infrastructure but I don't > > > remember anything else. I don't se this as a core discussion because > > > the team is going to be more than core folks. > > > > I've suggested a number of times that we need to decouple all > > postgresql.org mail infrastructure from hub.org so it can be > > independently managed. Numerous people have been asked the same thing > > here for much longer, but have given up because the answer has always > > been no. Thats why I've been raising it in core. > > OK, so maybe there is the crux. Who says "no" unchallenged? I don't > think I can, and I don't think anyone else in this community can either. I think you can guess who says no (if not, I'll tell you out of band). I seem to be the only person doing any challenging and without some nods of agreement at least I cannot do much more. We do at least have some more documentation as of yesterday though... but the current problems are with a whole server which that doesn't help with. -- Dave Page EnterpriseDB UK Ltd: http://www.enterprisedb.com PostgreSQL UK 2008 Conference: http://www.postgresql.org.uk