Subject: Re: Stalled news about ora2pg 11 on pg.org
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Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 18:58:10 -0400
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On Apr 15, 2013, at 4:19 PM, Magnus Hagander wrote:

> On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 10:10 PM, Alvaro Herrera
> <alvherre@2ndquadrant.com> wrote:
>> Magnus Hagander wrote:
>>> On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 9:59 PM, Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> wrote:
>>>> On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 12:52:54PM -0700, Josh Berkus wrote:
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>>>>>> 2ndQuadrant has experienced significant delays in at least 3 cases
>>>>>> also. There is definitely a problem somewhere there.
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>>>>> The delay is called "volunteer moderators who have day jobs".
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>>>>>> Perhaps we should make all posts wait the same length of time, to
>>>>>> allow reasonable time to decide whether posts are suitable? 72 hours
>>>>>> seems like a reasonable time for this.
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>>>>> Who is going to do this strictly time-limited approving?
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>>>> So it auto-approves after 72 hours?  I found this proposal vague.
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>>> If anything automatic were to happen after 72 hours, the reasonable
>>> thing would be a rejection.
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>> ... but that's not more helpful than not doing anything, because then
>> the submitter needs to submit again.  This creates a busy loop on which
>> submitter needs to watch status of his submitted news until it gets
>> approved.
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> I agree. But it's the only thing we could do at all there.
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>> I think the idea behind 72-hour auto-approve is that if it's obvious
>> spam someone will quickly reject it, and if it's not spam then it's not
>> worth rejecting.  I don't think this is very palatable either.
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> Given thta our moderators *clearly* don't have time to process it,
> this is almost *guarantee* to get spam postings onto our site. It
> won't work.
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> I think recruiting more moderators, or somehow convincing our current
> ones to actually moderate more often is the only way to go.

If helping to alleviate some of the delay issues would be to have more mode=
rators, I would be happy to volunteer my time.

Perhaps another initiative (though this is a tech suggestion) is to send a =
daily digest of news stories awaiting approval to the moderators so that wa=
y there is a constant reminder to review news items.

Jonathan


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