Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mj134-0008R2-Df for pgsql-www@arkaria.postgresql.org; Fri, 05 Nov 2021 15:22:34 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mj133-0007KU-88 for pgsql-www@arkaria.postgresql.org; Fri, 05 Nov 2021 15:22:33 +0000 Received: from magus.postgresql.org ([2a02:c0:301:0:ffff::29]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mj132-0007JD-JI for pgsql-www@lists.postgresql.org; Fri, 05 Nov 2021 15:22:33 +0000 Received: from mail-ed1-x529.google.com ([2a00:1450:4864:20::529]) by magus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mj12z-0003NO-AV for pgsql-www@lists.postgresql.org; Fri, 05 Nov 2021 15:22:31 +0000 Received: by mail-ed1-x529.google.com with SMTP id r12so34262733edt.6 for ; Fri, 05 Nov 2021 08:22:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=pgadmin.org; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=Nksgfd0yFlFnEzlTeGAmJmLr28boVW7A6b5ho6/fRB8=; b=TyTEoOoBQ/rb/uBU9VMKlKmMeOCT4q2XhppwgNIU8xCJdV/EjVc+3nv5GXf1THaOOv PozR9G8WN8vrjT9ikJOFzVwLWchWF/cxs69bDPn87YY38HFFWo/HqsoeNCiO/6/gN7tL gz+Y6kh4P3+wRYI3LtxebxHYX2OHMyCzdQOD63Pco/1aLwq40T5i5vAkhxsrMnQTJNH2 Uy58gFeyvEjso3T74D0m0txYaWPB2vAM0nPGQJE4/YVXq8AeEQKQN/1SBjGPLn3TDUfA AwKb97zq7HzXWdv2Y8jaVjFPCC68MNIcdevTtmlej0dYsTUeEJuU76odmoz4hl8blDoa m/YQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Nksgfd0yFlFnEzlTeGAmJmLr28boVW7A6b5ho6/fRB8=; b=57XNJb2AJEhrJ8cTFfSfu93ll/X5Vy5jK0P6F2uCECEjQnG3KwCkKTDuvmh8uMA2r/ LxFsnzB27W0YacWKEmTwglHqJl6GZ9MNWEZ5GF5sINVAFAR+ZkKjmpNKDdPdKn3kJf4E M/SAgsAewQuonfSR4zzwjPGNkCFQsbJD3RlOTlAeWYWj8ut2dIK5HTiSVkEBb0sTDX/L DQXmINSseUitRDNseNaGLdkim+O9MKKRrrbo5S0fVD8oCcLrTN65v44g3MUhGSiKqDaN HKvwsl7n3nVEwMnz7tj59IxMu2+cyTdJykN//QnoA1CrlX28LyLL26A1G2CgxEPEf2hH cSvA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531RIiVwcFjX964rn8INSlftnKDyBMC89scKQR7bl7j0mhfOoQCV uQJEjSGBFYiZLigVHIuC0GWdHASb1FLr/ns/7oHqpg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxjQQFyA93yYsc31yyaUIh7tsZEuLG07Oy9VbC+LEN8iEp86eGMjUdyrTIGd3R3ephmvP4yEva5pPqv/Y1nG4k= X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:ad89:: with SMTP id la9mr9223460ejb.178.1636125747299; Fri, 05 Nov 2021 08:22:27 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <33825241-F49E-4EA5-B34D-0DF982914F59@yesql.se> <20211105141244.GA19813@momjian.us> <8AF33DC8-13FF-447D-A92B-D48F69BEC730@yesql.se> In-Reply-To: <8AF33DC8-13FF-447D-A92B-D48F69BEC730@yesql.se> From: Dave Page Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2021 15:22:15 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Notice about EDB downloads To: Daniel Gustafsson Cc: Bruce Momjian , Magnus Hagander , PostgreSQL WWW Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000f9de5c05d00c3550" List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Archived-At: Precedence: bulk --000000000000f9de5c05d00c3550 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Fri, Nov 5, 2021 at 3:16 PM Daniel Gustafsson wrote: > > On 5 Nov 2021, at 15:12, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > > On Fri, Nov 5, 2021 at 10:28:33AM +0100, Daniel Gustafsson wrote: > >>> On 4 Nov 2021, at 22:24, Magnus Hagander wrote: > >>> On Thu, Nov 4, 2021 at 8:54 PM Daniel Gustafsson > wrote: > >> > >>> While in there, could you also add the 14 release to the version > tables on > >>> those pages? The 14 installer is available for download but the page > make it > >>> seem like it's only 9.6-13 which isn't a good look. > >>> > >>> We normally wait for the people who run that end to provide a patch > for that -- but that usually leaves us in just this situation, with things > not properly up to date > >>> > >>> Perhaps we should see if EDB can provide a metadata file somewhere on > the site that we could scrape down regularly (say, daily) and have it > automated? > >> > >> Since we regularly find ourselves with out of date information here we > clearly > >> need to do something, right now we make it seem like 14 isn't available > for > >> download a month out from the release. > >> > >> Another option is to just remove the table alltogether and leave the > platform > >> support information to the EDB landing page? Since we don't offer > direct > >> downloads via deeplinks, separating the platform support info and the > actual > >> download is a bit strange anyways. > > > > Do we have that kind of chart for any other platform downloads? What > > value is the chart providing, considering it looks very similar to the > > EDB download page. Seems the chart is just a maintenance burden with > > little value and should be removed, as suggested above. > > I thint it formalizes the supported OS per release in a way which the EDB > page > doesn't, but I don't think it's necessarily the best place to present this > information as anyone interested would have to flip flop back and forth > between > the pages while downloading. Removing it might be the best course of > action. > I don't necessarily disagree with that, but I will point out that the platform support page on the EDB website lists what EDB will support under contract, which is not necessarily the same as the platform compatibility list for the PostgreSQL installers (e.g. we'd fix a bug on them specific to Windows desktop editions, but that's not necessarily something EDB would support under contract). -- Dave Page Blog: https://pgsnake.blogspot.com Twitter: @pgsnake EDB: https://www.enterprisedb.com --000000000000f9de5c05d00c3550 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Fri, Nov 5, 2021 at 3:16 PM Daniel= Gustafsson <daniel@yesql.se> = wrote:
> On 5 Nov 2021, at 15:12, Bruce Momjia= n <bruce@momjian.u= s> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Nov=C2=A0 5, 2021 at 10:28:33AM +0100, Daniel Gustafsson wrote= :
>>> On 4 Nov 2021, at 22:24, Magnus Hagander <magnus@hagander.net> wrote:<= br> >>> On Thu, Nov 4, 2021 at 8:54 PM Daniel Gustafsson <daniel@yesql.se <mailt= o:daniel@yesql.se&= gt;> wrote:
>>
>>> While in there, could you also add the 14 release to the versi= on tables on
>>> those pages?=C2=A0 The 14 installer is available for download = but the page make it
>>> seem like it's only 9.6-13 which isn't a good look. >>>
>>> We normally wait for the people who run that end to provide a = patch for that -- but that usually leaves us in just this situation, with t= hings not properly up to date
>>>
>>> Perhaps we should see if EDB can provide a metadata file somew= here on the site that we could scrape down regularly (say, daily) and have = it automated?
>>
>> Since we regularly find ourselves with out of date information her= e we clearly
>> need to do something, right now we make it seem like 14 isn't = available for
>> download a month out from the release.
>>
>> Another option is to just remove the table alltogether and leave t= he platform
>> support information to the EDB landing page?=C2=A0 Since we don= 9;t offer direct
>> downloads via deeplinks, separating the platform support info and = the actual
>> download is a bit strange anyways.
>
> Do we have that kind of chart for any other platform downloads?=C2=A0 = What
> value is the chart providing, considering it looks very similar to the=
> EDB download page.=C2=A0 Seems the chart is just a maintenance burden = with
> little value and should be removed, as suggested above.

I thint it formalizes the supported OS per release in a way which the EDB p= age
doesn't, but I don't think it's necessarily the best place to p= resent this
information as anyone interested would have to flip flop back and forth bet= ween
the pages while downloading. Removing it might be the best course of action= .

I don't necessarily disagree with= that, but I will point out that the platform support page on the EDB websi= te lists what EDB will support under contract, which is not necessarily the= same as the platform compatibility list for the PostgreSQL installers (e.g= . we'd fix a bug on them specific to Windows desktop editions, but that= 's not necessarily something EDB would support under contract).=C2=A0

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