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Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 09:57:13 +0000
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Subject: Re: Re: [pgsql-www] We should not transition to
	apt.postgresql.org until we have a PPA
From: Dave Page <dpage@pgadmin.org>
To: Dimitri Fontaine <dimitri@2ndquadrant.fr>
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On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 9:26 AM, Dimitri Fontaine
<dimitri@2ndquadrant.fr> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Dave Page <dpage@pgadmin.org> writes:
>> I should also note that I'm *not* arguing that we should promote the
>> installers over the platform native packaging; I'm arguing - as one of
>> the few people that has had to deal with questions to webmaster@ from
>> people confused about installing in the past - that we should not
>> allow our installation instructions to become difficult or confusing
>> for novice users again.
>
> The novice users will use the default provided PostgreSQL on their
> distro. That's 8.4.13 for squeeze, and 9.1 everywhere else, currently,
> in debian, and something not that different in ubuntu.
>
>   http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=postgresql
>   http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=postgresql
>
> The PGDG repository target audience is *not* novice users.

You're seriously suggesting that novice users (and by novice, we're
talking about operating system users, not necessarily database users)
should not be able to choose the version of PostgreSQL they run,
because we cannot be bothered to simplify the installation
instructions?

This sort of attitude is *exactly* why PostgreSQL has a reputation for
being hard to use and the community has a reputation for being
exclusive and unwelcoming to newcomers.

We should be doing everything we can to make it easy for new users,
whatever their background or experience level, to use PostgreSQL as
they wish.

-- 
Dave Page
Blog: http://pgsnake.blogspot.com
Twitter: @pgsnake

EnterpriseDB UK: http://www.enterprisedb.com
The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company


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