Received: from magus.postgresql.org (magus.postgresql.org [87.238.57.229]) by mail.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E940E1288B2E for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2012 12:44:04 -0400 (AST) Received: from mail-tul01m020-f174.google.com ([209.85.214.174]) by magus.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RsdHt-0005Jr-Hs for pgsql-www@postgresql.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2012 16:44:03 +0000 Received: by obcva7 with SMTP id va7so1506861obc.19 for ; Wed, 01 Feb 2012 08:43:48 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.121.101 with SMTP id lj5mr40136632obb.39.1328114628354; Wed, 01 Feb 2012 08:43:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.60.6.227 with HTTP; Wed, 1 Feb 2012 08:43:48 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <96e5156e36277877d18484a5148ad516@biglumber.com> <4F26DA5D.7040808@agliodbs.com> Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 16:43:48 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Planet posting policy From: Dave Page To: Magnus Hagander Cc: Josh Berkus , pgsql-www@postgresql.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Pg-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Archive-Number: 201202/5 X-Sequence-Number: 20488 On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Magnus Hagander wrote= : > On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 10:40, Dave Page wrote: >> On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 5:58 PM, Josh Berkus wrote: >>> >>>> I think that blog post itself is a very good example of content we >>>> *don't* necessarily want on planet. >>> >>> See, while for me it's exactly the kind of post I think *should* be >>> included. =A0Because I'm a working consultant, I'm interested in what t= he >>> various commercial forks can do for my customers, and as a PostgreSQL >>> hacker I'm interested in what the various commercial tools tell us abou= t >>> our users. =A0As long as it's not press releases. >> >> Right - and we shouldn't lose sight of the fact that Planet isn't >> their primarily for us; it's there for the users. Some of them > > Agreed. Which is why it's interesting that those posting in favor of > allowing more "commercially oriented" posts are the people who either > have commercial products they'd consider blogging about or have > previous been asked to remove at least one post from the planet... At > least AFAICT, forgive me if I got one wrong or so, but the majority is > certainly that way... Well, from a sample set of half a dozen or so community members overall. That doesn't really tell us anything though. > But we haven't heard from any of those users that it's actually there for= . > > Maybe we should post a survey on postgresql.org or something to gauge > the *outside* interest? That doesn't seem unreasonable. >> probably only want to know about PostgreSQL itself, whilst others will >> certainly be interested in the entire eco-system around PostgreSQL. >> >> In just about every other aspect of what we do, we encourage input and >> content from commercial and OSS product vendors alike, both about >> their products and because they're vendors we're happy to be >> associated with; news, events, announcements, press quotes, the >> product catalogue etc. etc. Planet is the only exception to this I can >> think of. > > Well, we rate-limit post in other scenarios. If we do allow it on > planet, we should probably at least rate-limit it the same way we do > for news. While we could (and it would probably make sense to) apply > the same policy as we do for news, it would be a lot harder to > actually follow up on it on planet since we don't moderate the posts > there. > > The only technical solution I see to that that seems reasonably easy > to build would be to have those who want to post these more commercial > posts on their blog register for a special "permission" to do that, > and that those posts ends up being moderated in the same way we > moderate news today. That might work reasonably well, but it's > certainly a more complex process... Yeah. But that's also drifting off-topic slightly - the question in debate here is "do we want to relax the rules", which a number of people have been in favour of, and only one against if I'm counting correctly, and if so, how do we do so without going too far in the other direction? We only really need a moderation system if people don't follow the guidelines. --=20 Dave Page Blog: http://pgsnake.blogspot.com Twitter: @pgsnake EnterpriseDB UK: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company