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Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 14:10:18 +0200
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Subject: Re: Linux Downloads page change
From: Magnus Hagander <magnus@hagander.net>
To: Dave Page <dpage@pgadmin.org>
Cc: Simon Riggs <simon@2ndquadrant.com>,
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On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 2:05 PM, Dave Page <dpage@pgadmin.org> wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 12:41 PM, Simon Riggs <simon@2ndquadrant.com> wrot=
e:
>> On 9 July 2012 12:31, Devrim G=DCND=DCZ <devrim@gunduz.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Simon,
>>>
>>> On Mon, 2012-07-09 at 12:25 +0100, Simon Riggs wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am discussing the relationship of SRPMs and RPMs, which is a valid
>>>> point on this thread given the point that the RPMs and SRPMs have been
>>>> mismatched for some time and that the current process calls for manual
>>>> rather than automatic synchronisation.
>>>
>>> Which SRPMs are you talking about? Community SRPMs? If so, they have
>>> been always available on the website. If you are talking about OpenSCG
>>> RPMs, that is a different thing.
>>
>> My words were a little unclear all round, please accept my apologies.
>>
>> IMHO we should only list binaries on the postgresql.org website if
>> they are derived from build information that is owned by the PGDG, or
>> at very least publicly available at the time of the build and likely
>> to remain so afterwards. That process should be automatic as far as
>> possible, to minimise error, since the number of users of those
>> binaries is now very large.
>
> Right - that's more or less what's been discussed and agreed. The
> issue with the installers that Magnus raised, is that at present I
> manually push the canonical GIT repo to git.postgresql.org, and often
> forget to do it until reminded. That was raised in response to my
> comment that the OpenSCG build scripts are not currently public at all
> as far as I could see, and should be if their work is to be listed on
> postgresql.org's primary downloads page.

FWIW, the listing they have *now* is cleraly under "third party
distributions", so I don't think there's a problem with that one. It
also holds bitnami stuff. The point here is the *primary* download
pages (i'll make that plural since it was broken up a bit extra
lately).


>> Unverifiable binaries are a quality and security risk to the project.
>
> In theory. In practice it seems unlikely anyone would ever take the
> time and energy to build them themselves and actually verify them -
> the effort to do so would be huge (for example, assembling the 9.2
> build machine for the installers and building all the necessary
> dependencies for all the supported platforms etc. has so far taken a
> number of man weeks). To verify the binaries we put out, someone would
> have to build an exact mirror of that environment. That's not to say
> it shouldn't be possible of course. In fact, it wouldn't even be
> possible, as we digitally sign some of the executables to appease
> Windows, and we obviously cannot share that certificate.

It should be possible, and it's a much smaller (though not necessarily
small) effort if you only want to verify *one* version on *one*
platform with *one* subset of modules.

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