Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1ghew1-0005Zn-3k for pgsql-www@arkaria.postgresql.org; Thu, 10 Jan 2019 18:20:05 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1ghevz-0000e8-S4 for pgsql-www@arkaria.postgresql.org; Thu, 10 Jan 2019 18:20:03 +0000 Received: from magus.postgresql.org ([2a02:c0:301:0:ffff::29]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1ghevz-0000dx-KF for pgsql-www@lists.postgresql.org; Thu, 10 Jan 2019 18:20:03 +0000 Received: from mail-it1-x134.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::134]) by magus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1ghevw-0000GS-Py for pgsql-www@lists.postgresql.org; Thu, 10 Jan 2019 18:20:03 +0000 Received: by mail-it1-x134.google.com with SMTP id c9so23478itj.1 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2019 10:20:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=oUN1jAytJHhXsSKpqAqnFs2JjRFyK/jMQ8WUcZuF550=; b=NHqnw1lRnaaewazMtfvJH64jEpqHzw7vVYwWiCee1Hk2PIB/YjYsRUm0pBFMG5UirN DT+VrFYhm4cWUSL9hMkKDGrIbRejBO8i2sRZq+Ot7MxMcZwp8VeZRj8U2ttJ5yet9/y5 iZCc4ML5FRpeLLjyW9QHmdOm2EMdJmBZnaigySnoB7zd3ASf6TAddbWFDvx2v4fQeI+p MeT3yQWzTAOUBKXtnqscHPSnl47lxWWkBKZ6zEin5E+SgXKrt4E5QE1CG01tl1V2lI5y G5mYAwzsinVm9XwwX1XIUyX0efCb4V/5C6PVa4aZqLMSZQBr8GGRaSwf/IskJQ01z3Gg gl6w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=oUN1jAytJHhXsSKpqAqnFs2JjRFyK/jMQ8WUcZuF550=; b=IrW4Xgr4ZAOqJHir2MWNi37TgGg6mXcsA+vSsq1zsmXH7zeUGPCDxrEJHqImZCDNIS skYHTftu/CCWFyyhZgPOeURxaC4XiJQB+iUe4VAdtT3GxLtbP86j0wSD8JI+lYj/EgA2 hsgCJlDAwQuqIYwNSdAcIBM2e9V1Hit59DuiOQdCwBcSOjOMOMt6QBi2t+xmmTJBBfut Mfxu422YCAEX2IQnrRraofw74X0wJ0pWrKCsHiPr0hS4KwoO5mCXORvhKUjIegPK+w2T /CrzHpgLNeJOwj7M++zzO9MSJqfEaf4qBliyNSNZGNgH040cb+XiPMJ4DappQWBKDFeY LaPw== X-Gm-Message-State: AJcUukdaUJcvpiSWvCnqzYol80BwJ9IEptBTLpOOL9xdT90XlbeJmlHc KdsCGr3SnIdKgJpk51lL6qvAiEJLin10Vgoa6sOOxsxK X-Google-Smtp-Source: ALg8bN6gViG43LKLVv8vLmqNqanceQTFXAz2UpZXK/+XQfHqddwfzKolAC1bZsTaIlHe2Ux/A+Ai8xm8vlKgrYlSm6I= X-Received: by 2002:a24:78c7:: with SMTP id p190mr7686956itc.21.1547144398439; Thu, 10 Jan 2019 10:19:58 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20190110171835.GP2528@tamriel.snowman.net> In-Reply-To: <20190110171835.GP2528@tamriel.snowman.net> From: Dean Rasheed Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2019 18:19:47 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Policy on cross-posting to multiple lists To: Stephen Frost Cc: PostgreSQL Hackers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Precedence: bulk On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 at 17:18, Stephen Frost wrote: > * Dean Rasheed (dean.a.rasheed@gmail.com) wrote: > > Has the policy on cross-posting to multiple lists been hardened recently? > > This most recent change was to implement a policy where we don't allow > public lists to be CC'd with other public lists; when that happens we > instead reply with an email basically saying "please pick the right list > to send your email to." The problem with that as a mechanism for stopping people from cross posting is that it doesn't (and can't) actually stop the message from being delivered to people already on the CC list for that thread. So in this case, Andrew first cross posted it, but I was already on the CC list, so I got the message as normal, not realising that it hadn't come via the lists. I then hit "Reply all" ... (rinse and repeat). I didn't even immediately notice the failure to send the message because my own reply just got added to end of the conversation in my mail client, but presumably the intention was that both Andrew and I should have noticed and re-posted to a single list. But of course that would then have annoyed all the people already on the thread who would have got duplicates of mails they had already received. Personally, I don't have a problem with people cross posting. I think there are real cases where it's the right thing to do -- it's common practice for legitimate reasons. Yes, it can be abused, but there are worse abuses of email all the time. Regards, Dean