X-Original-To: pgsql-www-postgresql.org@localhost.postgresql.org Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.204.144]) by svr1.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28C225E46D2 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 16:53:34 -0300 (ADT) Received: from svr1.postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 35860-06 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 19:53:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by svr1.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7AEA5E46CB for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 16:53:29 -0300 (ADT) Received: from mailgate.vale-housing.co.uk ([80.176.1.146] helo=ratbert.vale-housing.co.uk) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BvLdi-0000Ca-0W for pgsql-www@postgresql.org; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 19:53:30 +0000 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Subject: Re: PGSQL-WINDOWS mailing list? Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 20:53:29 +0100 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [pgsql-www] PGSQL-WINDOWS mailing list? Thread-Index: AcSAis6rLW3799EdS+Op8wuXDJh6tQAGmT+A From: "Dave Page" To: "Josh Berkus" , "PostgreSQL www" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at hub.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 tagged_above=0.0 required=5.0 tests= X-Spam-Level: X-Archive-Number: 200408/113 X-Sequence-Number: 4888 =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Josh Berkus [mailto:josh@agliodbs.com]=20 > Sent: 12 August 2004 17:38 > To: Dave Page; PostgreSQL www > Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] PGSQL-WINDOWS mailing list? >=20 > If that's the way you feel. However, I don't want this list=20 > to lose sight of=20 > the fact that *us* recieving 50-100 extra email/day on some=20 > list or another is a qualitatively different thing from a=20 > newbie signing up on NOVICE and=20 > immediately getting hit with 200 e-mails in the first 12=20 > hours. You and I=20 > will wade through that amount of e-mail regardless, because=20 > we subscribe to most of the lists, but for a new user with a=20 > Yahoo account on dial-up, its a fundamentally different thing. I'm beginning to wonder about myself - I got another 100 between the office and home :-( Perhaps though, the answer is not in making the mailing lists handle the extra load, but preventing some of that load getting there in the first place. I know it's easy to say, but difficult to do given the workloads we all have, but if we can get some really easy to use, helpful, friendly cuddly and fluffy trouble shooting docs out there as the first things new users see, then just maybe we can prevent many of the faqs etc. even hitting the lists. Yeah, there will always be some that can't be bothered to read and learn themselves, but if we can somehow direct the newbie through the faqs/documentation *before* we tell them where the lists are and without making it annoyingly difficult to get there then just maybe... The problem is, how do we make them read stuff without, umm, making them read stuff? /D