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Subject: Re: [PASCAL-advocacy] [PASCAL-www] Alternate PostgreSQL.org Design
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 12:18:25 -0000
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Thread-Topic: [PASCAL-advocacy] [PASCAL-www] Alternate PostgreSQL.org Design
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From: "Dave Page" <dpage@vale-housing.co.uk>
To: "Robert Treat" <xzilla@users.sourceforge.net>,
	"Gavin M. Roy" <gmr@ehpg.net>
Cc: <pgsql-www@postgresql.org>

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Treat [mailto:xzilla@users.sourceforge.net]=20
> Sent: 13 November 2004 05:44
> To: Gavin M. Roy
> Cc: Dave Page; Bruce Momjian; Alexey Borzov; Josh Berkus;=20
> pgsql-advocacy@postgresql.org; Omar Kilani; pgsql-www@postgresql.org
> Subject: Re: [PASCAL-advocacy] [PASCAL-www] Alternate=20
> PostgreSQL.org Design
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> Gavin, you are on the -www list aren't you? It's been posted=20
> there many times.=20
> Just in case not, it's at http://wwwdevel.postgresql.org/todo

It was posted with some other URLs you might find useful earlier in this
very thread :-)

Web CVS: http://gborg.postgresql.org/project/pgweb/cvs/cvs.php/portal
Commiter list: http://gborg.postgresql.org/pipermail/pgweb-commits/

> > Alexey posted a tarball of his source, but after my last=20
> contribution=20
> > via email to the current  Lucaz design went completely=20
> unnoticed and=20
> > didnt even receive a no-thanks, we'd rather keep it the way=20
> it is, I'm=20
> > a bit out of the loop on what it takes to actually get=20
> something done.
>=20
> Huh?  IIRC the last patch I saw you send in was applied by=20
> Dave a couple days later?

Wrong Gavin! I don't recall seeing anything from you, Gavin (M Roy). Can
you resend it please - maybe my spam filters were bored that day.

> > >I realise I'm probably one of the people you accuse of=20
> being rude and=20
> > >shooting down ideas (and if I have been rude to anyone,=20
> please excuse=20
> > >me
> >
> > To be honest, I can only come up with a few people off hand and you=20
> > werent one of them Dave ;).  That's not to say.. well never mind.

I'm not entirely sure how to take that!


> This is generally true only if it is a rehash of something we=20
> have been over dozens of times.  Kind of like when people=20
> pop-up on -hackers and say "I'm ready to start coding up a=20
> threaded back-end, which files should I be looking=20
> at"   =20

Wow, that's exactly the analagy I was going to use`

> Otherwise my experience has been more of people asking=20
> what they can=20
> do to help and us responding with "look at the todo/look at=20
> the portal code"=20
> and then people either disappear or people point out they=20
> were hoping to implement some CMS or other radical whizbang=20
> code and then they disappear after we we don't get=20
> enthusiastic about it.=20

That's almost precisely my view of the situation.

> You have to realize that this is at least the 5th design we=20
> have seen for the new site, none of which get us any closer=20
> to getting the new site launched if for no other reason that=20
> each of these designs seems to spur another round of website=20
> flaming.  Also, for the record, I ask the tinysofa people if=20
> they would be interested in submitting some updated banners=20
> and/or buttons for our propaganda page and got no response. =20
> That's another example of us trying to find ways for people=20
> to get involved and people not bothering when it's not on=20
> their personal agenda.=20

Would they still want to do it if there was no link to their website at
the bottom of each page? Incidently, Lukasz' design didn't originally
have such a link. We suggested he put one there by way of thanks.

Just a thought...

Regards, Dave.