Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1tW0fK-00DPCT-7f for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Thu, 09 Jan 2025 22:06:11 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1tW0fI-009FMx-BK for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Thu, 09 Jan 2025 22:06:08 +0000 Received: from makus.postgresql.org ([2001:4800:3e1:1::229]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1tW0fH-009FMo-Ri for pgsql-hackers@lists.postgresql.org; Thu, 09 Jan 2025 22:06:07 +0000 Received: from smtp.outgoing.loopia.se ([93.188.3.37]) by makus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.96) (envelope-from ) id 1tW0fB-000m9v-1f for pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org; Thu, 09 Jan 2025 22:06:06 +0000 Received: from s807.loopia.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by s807.loopia.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39068269AAC for ; Thu, 09 Jan 2025 23:05:58 +0100 (CET) Received: from s979.loopia.se (unknown [172.22.191.6]) by s807.loopia.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A48C26A28A; Thu, 09 Jan 2025 23:05:58 +0100 (CET) Received: from s472.loopia.se (unknown [172.22.191.6]) by s979.loopia.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 272F510BC448; Thu, 09 Jan 2025 23:05:58 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amavis.loopia.se X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.2 tagged_above=-999 required=6.2 tests=[ALL_TRUSTED=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1] autolearn=disabled Authentication-Results: s472.loopia.se (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=yesql.se Received: from s979.loopia.se ([172.22.191.5]) by s472.loopia.se (s472.loopia.se [172.22.190.12]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id J64OKpApoGpg; Thu, 9 Jan 2025 23:05:57 +0100 (CET) X-Loopia-Auth: user X-Loopia-User: daniel@yesql.se X-Loopia-Originating-IP: 89.255.232.193 Received: from smtpclient.apple (customer-89-255-232-193.stosn.net [89.255.232.193]) (Authenticated sender: daniel@yesql.se) by s979.loopia.se (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6812310BC403; Thu, 09 Jan 2025 23:05:57 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yesql.se; s=loopiadkim1707475645; t=1736460357; bh=F8hlyXxF/ksVmgILa/pvon+12ZNpJOY2TI6326vbL+o=; h=Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To; b=OoMC3PKhNSiiqFBZdBkUwwvIERSGTA81thuIFiU9sX6VecMz2uRwaQrrV+nLD4CkE 6hcxv0Clpk/J39OwOTwr8qsVvvnmYmsXPgAgWUNAUUPUn3ksOqTdIMoZTx53NoaKti yfOM0GzE1dV+NoCgYBELxLlpANLhRgUsnJOT7GoxQ5fzKOqwzIh4P+BoTN0OKZq19d TgnwiF24t0M+hlwWJPzmNuOfmHwL9aj1CmBFwISYfiQY5p9FXyaTsWs/JnTYzbqdrz fcL6HeEK0iux09WL6xJWAIHfmyW14DKBC40uvaGULlbgp9Q+U03OCKnE5tU3DllF+H y16jcF6/fAGyw== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3776.700.51.11.1\)) Subject: Re: Moving the vacuum GUCs' docs out of the Client Connection Defaults section From: Daniel Gustafsson In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2025 23:05:46 +0100 Cc: Peter Eisentraut , Tom Lane , PostgreSQL Hackers , "Bossart, Nathan" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <1373018.1736213217@sss.pgh.pa.us> <68a4435c-3990-419d-a68a-b33a7f9185ab@eisentraut.org> To: Melanie Plageman X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3776.700.51.11.1) List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Archived-At: Precedence: bulk > On 9 Jan 2025, at 02:45, Melanie Plageman = wrote: > Attached is v2 (required a rebase). I think this is a really good restructuring which will make life easier = for our users. Some of the comments below are on wording which wasn't = introduced in this patch, but which I hadn't thought about before, so feel free to = ignore those comments. + + Freezing + + Trying to read this as a new user, I think it would be good to start = this subsection with a sentence describing what freezing actually is. Vacuum = is hard enough for users as it is =3D) + default value is one. Grepping around indicates that we typically use the numeric value rather = than writing it in text, and the next settting down has "default value is 2". = For consistency I would change that to "1" instead of "one". + vacuum_cost_delay. Then it will reset the = counter and + continue execution. I know starting a sentence with "Then" is grammatically correct when = it's the last sentence in a paragraph, but being a non-native speaker I always = find myself re-reading such sentences to parse them as they stand out as odd. + can be set to fractional-millisecond values, such delays may = not be + measured accurately on older platforms. On such platforms, This sentence seems quite vague and hard to act on for users, what = qualifies as an "older platform" by the time v18 rolls around (this was added in = v12). I'm sure there are such platforms in existence that postgres 18 will run on, = but are we helping users with ambiguity? -- Daniel Gustafsson