X-Original-To: pgsql-advocacy-postgresql.org@localhost.postgresql.org Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.204.2]) by svr1.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7123D1B50F; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 18:08:07 -0300 (ADT) Received: from svr1.postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (neptune.hub.org [200.46.204.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28978-05; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 18:08:07 -0300 (ADT) Received: from mail1.ihs.com (mail1.ihs.com [170.207.70.222]) by svr1.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4353ED1B4A3; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 18:08:05 -0300 (ADT) Received: from css120.ihs.com (css120.ihs.com [170.207.105.120]) by mail1.ihs.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i3RL7HBh025392; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 15:07:17 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 15:07:20 -0600 (MDT) From: "scott.marlowe" To: Andrew Payne Cc: Bruce Momjian , PostgreSQL-development , PostgreSQL advocacy Subject: Re: What can we learn from MySQL? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-IHS-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-IHS-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-IHS-MailScanner-Envelope-Sender: scott.marlowe@ihs.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at postgresql.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 tagged_above=0.0 required=5.0 tests= X-Spam-Level: X-Archive-Number: 200404/271 X-Sequence-Number: 4243 On Mon, 26 Apr 2004, Andrew Payne wrote: > For those that look to Apache: Apache never had a well-established > incumbent (Oracle), an a well-funded upstart competitor (MySQL). Rob > McCool's NCSA httpd (and later, Apache) were good enough and developed > rapidly enough that they prevented any other HTTP server projects from > getting critical mass. This is a followup to my previous message where I mentioned apache, but did not really followup on it. While Apache is and has been wildly popular for bulk hosing and domain parking, for serious commercial use, Netscape's enterprise server, now Sun One, has long been a leader in commercial web sites. That has now changed too. While Netscape's server was pretty good, it is simply harder to configure, not as versatile as apache, and not as reliable or as fast nowadays. This was not always the case. There was a time when its performance was considered to be much better than apache (I'm thinking about apache 1.3.4 or so) and apache configuration was a black art few understood. with modern gui tools for configuring apache, and the incredible performance gains the late model 1.3 versions and now 2.0.x versions have, it is quickly displacing the more expensive netscape. Apache did not start in first place when it comes to "enterprise" class web servers, no matter how many small personal web sites ran on it. Most commercial companies didn't use it at first. It too had to "earn its stripes" over time and by proving it was better. Now I know people who think Open Source is just so much pie in the sky hand waving philosophical candy who think apache and jboss are the bomb. they'll come around on PostgreSQL too, once someone with some foresight points out the advantages it has. and one of its advantages is that it doesn't have a large monolithic organization driving development.