Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([2a02:16a8:dc51::56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1g1C9U-0008CT-PI for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Sat, 15 Sep 2018 15:06:29 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1g1C9P-0002tB-V9 for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Sat, 15 Sep 2018 15:06:23 +0000 Received: from makus.postgresql.org ([2001:4800:1501:1::229]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1g1C9P-0002t4-Eq for pgsql-hackers@lists.postgresql.org; Sat, 15 Sep 2018 15:06:23 +0000 Received: from meldrar.postgresql.org ([2a02:c0:301:0:ffff::31]) by makus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1g1C9H-0002YD-Fz for pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org; Sat, 15 Sep 2018 15:06:21 +0000 Received: from pool-98-113-6-186.nycmny.east.verizon.net ([98.113.6.186] helo=Ph33r-Retina.home) by meldrar.postgresql.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1g1C9B-0007xL-P4; Sat, 15 Sep 2018 15:06:13 +0000 Subject: Re: Postgres 11 release notes To: Michael Banck , Bruce Momjian Cc: PostgreSQL-development References: <20180511150852.GA18510@momjian.us> <20180912173406.GB2884@nighthawk.caipicrew.dd-dns.de> From: "Jonathan S. 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Katz" To: Michael Banck , Bruce Momjian Cc: PostgreSQL-development Message-ID: Subject: Re: Postgres 11 release notes References: <20180511150852.GA18510@momjian.us> <20180912173406.GB2884@nighthawk.caipicrew.dd-dns.de> In-Reply-To: <20180912173406.GB2884@nighthawk.caipicrew.dd-dns.de> --Z1ehf6FjcI9r5DodnC7nzlUZbAmpqfCU1 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------6997218F71ACEF8D055B4E2D" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------6997218F71ACEF8D055B4E2D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, On 9/12/18 1:34 PM, Michael Banck wrote: > Hi, >=20 > On Fri, May 11, 2018 at 11:08:52AM -0400, Bruce Momjian wrote: >> I have committed the first draft of the Postgres 11 release notes. I >> will add more markup soon. You can view the most current version here= : >> >> http://momjian.us/pgsql_docs/release-11.html > =20 > The first item of section 'E.1.3.10. Server Applications' is mine and > has this TODO (though maybe that should be better marked up?) text: >=20 > |IS IT CLEAR FROM THE DOCS THAT THE REPLICATION SLOT IS NOT TEMPORARY? >=20 > So I guess we need to decide on that before release. The current doc is= > AFAIK: >=20 > | This option causes the replication slot specified by the > | option --slot to be created before starting the > | backup. In this case, an error is raised if the slot already exists.= >=20 > I guess it does not hurt to have something like "to be (permanently) > created before starting", but what do others think? Is it clear enough= ? Attached are two patches. The first modifies the major improvements section to align with what we have discovered during the beta period + the general advocacy push. It also modifies the "last updated date" + narrows down a prospective release month. The second modifies/removes the questions/placeholders in the release notes, such as Michael's comment above (which I agreed with and added a one sentence explanation after). 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