Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U7jTb-0006yB-94 for pgsql-www@arkaria.postgresql.org; Tue, 19 Feb 2013 09:27:03 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with smtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U7jTa-0005ut-Mz for pgsql-www@arkaria.postgresql.org; Tue, 19 Feb 2013 09:27:02 +0000 Received: from magus.postgresql.org ([2a02:c0:301:0:ffff::29]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U7jTZ-0005u4-JM; Tue, 19 Feb 2013 09:27:01 +0000 Received: from acidenitrix.villemain.org ([91.121.90.165]) by magus.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U7jTU-00005N-Nc; Tue, 19 Feb 2013 09:27:01 +0000 Received: from [89.157.243.170] (helo=Dimitris-MacBook-Air.local) by acidenitrix.villemain.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U7jTP-0004Lj-Un; Tue, 19 Feb 2013 10:26:52 +0100 From: Dimitri Fontaine To: Dave Page Cc: Andres Freund , Bruce Momjian , Stefan Kaltenbrunner , Josh Berkus , Christoph Berg , Martin Pitt , Magnus Hagander , PostgreSQL WWW , PostgreSQL in Debian , Tom Lane Subject: Re: [pgsql-pkg-debian] Re: We should not transition to apt.postgresql.org until we have a PPA Organization: 2ndQuadrant References: <20130214122643.GF30046@msgid.df7cb.de> <511D2E58.6010705@agliodbs.com> <511D4E61.5050808@kaltenbrunner.cc> <20130216013854.GD12029@momjian.us> <20130218161258.GA16806@alap2.anarazel.de> User-Mail-Address: dimitri@2ndQuadrant.fr Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 10:26:39 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Dave Page's message of "Mon, 18 Feb 2013 19:07:30 +0000") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.130006 (Ma Gnus v0.6) Emacs/24.2 (darwin) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Pg-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) List-Archive: List-Help: List-ID: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Mailing-List: pgsql-www Precedence: bulk Sender: pgsql-www-owner@postgresql.org Hi, Dave Page writes: > I should also note that I'm *not* arguing that we should promote the > installers over the platform native packaging; I'm arguing - as one of > the few people that has had to deal with questions to webmaster@ from > people confused about installing in the past - that we should not > allow our installation instructions to become difficult or confusing > for novice users again. The novice users will use the default provided PostgreSQL on their distro. That's 8.4.13 for squeeze, and 9.1 everywhere else, currently, in debian, and something not that different in ubuntu. http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=postgresql http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=postgresql The PGDG repository target audience is *not* novice users. This service has been built for production users who know they want 9.2 on squeeze, or know they want to be able to upgrade from squeeze to wheezy without having to upgrade from 8.4 to 9.1 at the very same time. I think what we have now is really simple enough for those users, and as Magnus I say that because a fair number of users are turning to me when it's not simple enough, and they've stopped asking me any such questions since we published the repository. Now, I agree that when targetting the novice users out there, it could be made simpler. Just let them install the default debian or ubuntu provided version of PostgreSQL, you can not possibly provide simpler installation than the OS provided one in those two ones. And when later they realize the should know better, at this time the PGDG offer will make about perfect sense for them. Again, our target here is users who know they want 9.2 in squeeze and an upgrade path to wheezy allowing them to stay on 9.2. Regards, -- Dimitri Fontaine http://2ndQuadrant.fr PostgreSQL : Expertise, Formation et Support -- Sent via pgsql-www mailing list (pgsql-www@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-www