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From: Magnus Hagander <[email protected]>
To: Michael Paquier <[email protected]>
Cc: Nathan Bossart <[email protected]>
Cc: Bossart, Nathan <[email protected]>
Cc: Fujii Masao <[email protected]>
Cc: Justin Pryzby <[email protected]>
Cc: Andres Freund <[email protected]>
Cc: Mark Dilger <[email protected]>
Cc: Don Seiler <[email protected]>
Cc: PostgreSQL-development <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Estimating HugePages Requirements?
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2022 09:49:34 +0200
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On Wed, Apr 20, 2022, 00:12 Michael Paquier <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 02:07:26PM +0100, Magnus Hagander wrote:
> > But neither would the suggestion of redirecting stderr to /dev/null.
> > In fact, doing the redirect it will *also* throw away any FATAL that
> > happens. In fact, using the 2>/dev/null method, we *also* remove the
> > message that says there's another postmaster running in this
> > directory, which is strictly worse than the override of
> > log_min_messages.
>
> Well, we could also tweak more the command with a redirection of
> stderr to a log file or such, and tell to look at it for errors.
>

That's would be a pretty terrible ux though.



> > That said, the redirect can be removed without recompiling postgres,
> > so it is probably still hte better choice as a temporary workaround.
> > But we should really look into getting a better solution in place once
> > we start on 16.
>
> But do we really need a better or more invasive solution for already
> running servers though?  A SHOW command would be able to do the work
> already in this case.  This would lack consistency compared to the
> offline case, but we are not without option either.  That leaves the
> case where the server is running, has allocated memory but is not
> ready to accept connections, like crash recovery, still this use case
> looks rather thin to me.



I agree that thats a very narrow use case. And I'm nog sure the use case of
a running server is even that important here - it's really the offline one
that's important. Or rather, the really compelling one is when there is a
server running but I want to check the value offline because it will
change. SHOW doesn't help there because it shows the value based on the
currently running configuration, not the new one after a restart.

I don't agree that the redirect is a solution. It's a workaround.


>> My solution for the docs is perhaps too confusing for the end-user,
> >> and we are talking about a Linux-only thing here anyway.  So, at the
> >> end, I am tempted to just add the "2> /dev/null" as suggested upthread
> >> by Nathan and call it a day.  Does that sound fine?
> >
> > What would be a linux only thing?
>
> Perhaps not at some point in the future.  Now that's under a section
> of the docs only for Linux.
>


Hmm. So what's the solution on windows? I guess maybe it's not as important
there because there is no limit on huge pages, but generally getting the
expected shared memory usage might be useful? Just significantly less
important.

/Magnus

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