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From: Scott Marlowe <scott.marlowe@gmail.com>
To: Andrew Sullivan <ajs@commandprompt.com>
To: pgsql-admin@postgresql.org
Subject: Re: Bug introduced in 8.0
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 11:05:53 -0600
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On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 10:58 AM, Andrew Sullivan <ajs@commandprompt.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 08:46:33PM -0400, Lew wrote:
>> upgrades to PG, it is our duty to inform our bosses of the risk of not
>> upgrading, so they can properly assess risks and manage them accordingly.
>
> I agree.  It is, by the same token, your duty to yourself to ensure
> that, if the answer is, "No," you get that answer in writing so that
> future failures are not possibly pinned on you as having been
> negligent in installing stability and security releases.
>
> By the way, I always refer to these of late as "security and
> stability" rather than "minor" releases.  I do that because it
> presents them to the target audience in a way that is understandable.
> Those releases are, for the project, a maintenance burden and not a
> way to introduce features.  It's wise to keep that in mind when
> presenting such releases to managers responsible for the decision.

I used to work for an Oracle DBA and while he was quite smart in most
ways, he really had been trained by Oracle to avoid anything but
"patches".  Upgrades / updates of a db were very scary for him.  I had
to present the minor updates as "patch releases" to get him
comfortable with them.  And have a full implementation plan and all
that as well.

But if instead he had insisted on running an outdated version of
PostgreSQL for some goofy reason I would have been looking for another
job.

I guess I've been lucky in that I've never actually had to work for
idiots.  Sure have interviewed with quite a few though.



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