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* Re: Local User Groups - advocacy @ 2020-01-30 15:04 Valeria Kaplan <[email protected]> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Valeria Kaplan @ 2020-01-30 15:04 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Jonathan S. Katz <[email protected]>; +Cc: Dave Cramer <[email protected]>; Umair Shahid <[email protected]>; [email protected]; Magnus Hagander <[email protected]>; Paul Ramsey <[email protected]>; Kerem Kızıltunç <[email protected]>; Renee Phillips <[email protected]>; Jan Karremans <[email protected]>; Chris Travers <[email protected]>; Laetitia Avrot <[email protected]>; Teresa.Giacomini <[email protected]>; Ervin Weber <[email protected]>; Joe Conway <[email protected]>; Stacey Haysler <[email protected]>; Katherine Mcmillan <[email protected]>; Sebastiaan Mannem <[email protected]>; Claire Giordano <[email protected]>; Stephen Frost <[email protected]>; Catherine Souque <[email protected]>; Steven Pousty <[email protected]>; pgsql-advocacy; Ilya Kosmodemiansky <[email protected]> Hi Jonathan, All, To take our discussion on this thread further, I went through the content on the wiki page and rewrote it a bit. https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/UserGroupOperatingManual I made five sections, keeping in mind what I'd see going on the postgres.org website PUG page <https://www.postgresql.org/community/user-groups/;: 1. Small blurb at the top (see under *creating a new user group*) 2. *Starting your PUG* (guides you through the process of creating all needed resources and announcing the group to the community) 3. *Holding your first meetup* (talks about different organisational aspects of a meetup, how to get funding, and where to announce) 4. *Holding more meetings *(a general guidance on holding meetup series) 5. *Useful links *(this needs more links, examples of active user group pages, checklists, articles about choosing topics for PUG meetings and how to run them. *If anyone has good examples for it, could you please ad the link to the wiki * https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/UserGroupOperatingManual#Useful_Links *or send it to this thread and I'll add*.) I left Notes and Brain Dump, they do have some useful nuggets of information, but I think it'd be too much for the website. *It definitely needs a proof, so if anyone can help with that it would be great.* Once on the website, I have a few ideas that could bring this section of the website to live a bit more (an animation to explain the process and maybe series of video interviews with those who have experience organising PUG meetings)... "You may say I`m a dreamer; but I`m not the only one." :) Cheers, Valeria On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 4:59 PM Jonathan S. Katz <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi, > > On 1/6/20 8:12 AM, Dave Cramer wrote: > > > > > > On Mon, 6 Jan 2020 at 04:57, Valeria Kaplan <[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > Hi Umair, > > > > Thanks for sending this to Manoj, this is a super useful page. > > Do you know if there is a particular reason why this info is not on > > the main website? > > > > I think it's super useful, so maybe we could put it > > here: https://www.postgresql.org/community/user-groups/ or at least > > provide a link to wiki (I guess, it depends whether or not we would > > liek to keep using wiki for instructions like that - I personally, > > think we shouldn't since only those who are already involved in the > > community would be aware of wiki, others will most probably look for > > information like that on the main website.). > > > > All, > > what do you think? > > > > > > Personally I find the wiki a terrible place to put anything. It is only > > useful if you know that what you are searching for exists and you have > > some vague notion of how to search for it. > > > > +1 for the main page > > I think the idea for this page being on the wiki was that it allowed for > changes to be made over time, e.g. if there was a new idea for how to do > something, a clarification, etc. It also has not been updated since 2015. > > That said, I would not be opposed to adding something on the website for > how to start a user group, etc. but I think we need to ensure we have > some "final" language we've agreed to. It's (relatively) easier to > modify a Wiki page than the website. > > Perhaps an interim step is to link to the wiki page from the website? We > can then work on what we would want the "user group operating manual" > page to say on the website, and once ready, commit that. > > Thanks, > > Jonathan > ^ permalink raw reply [nested|flat] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: Local User Groups - advocacy @ 2020-03-03 10:24 Valeria Kaplan <[email protected]> parent: Valeria Kaplan <[email protected]> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Valeria Kaplan @ 2020-03-03 10:24 UTC (permalink / raw) To: pgsql-advocacy; [email protected]; +Cc: Jonathan S. Katz <[email protected]> Hi All, I think my email (below) fell between the cracks, but we still need to address the issue of not having any information about setting up and running meetups on postgres.org, so if there are no comments about the updated wiki page text <https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/UserGroupOperatingManual>(see my email below) I'd suggest that myself and Johnathan (if you have time, Johnathan) finalise it and add it to the website to keep the ball rolling. Thanks, Valeria On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 3:04 PM Valeria Kaplan <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Jonathan, All, > > To take our discussion on this thread further, I went through the content > on the wiki page and rewrote it a bit. > https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/UserGroupOperatingManual > > I made five sections, keeping in mind what I'd see going on the > postgres.org website PUG page > <https://www.postgresql.org/community/user-groups/;: > > 1. Small blurb at the top (see under *creating a new user group*) > 2. *Starting your PUG* (guides you through the process of creating all > needed resources and announcing the group to the community) > 3. *Holding your first meetup* (talks about different organisational > aspects of a meetup, how to get funding, and where to announce) > 4. *Holding more meetings *(a general guidance on holding meetup series) > 5. *Useful links *(this needs more links, examples of active user group > pages, checklists, articles about choosing topics for PUG meetings and how > to run them. *If anyone has good examples for it, could you please ad the > link to the wiki * > https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/UserGroupOperatingManual#Useful_Links *or send > it to this thread and I'll add*.) > > I left Notes and Brain Dump, they do have some useful nuggets of > information, but I think it'd be too much for the website. > > *It definitely needs a proof, so if anyone can help with that it would be > great.* > > Once on the website, I have a few ideas that could bring this section of > the website to live a bit more (an animation to explain the process and > maybe series of video interviews with those who have experience organising > PUG meetings)... "You may say I`m a dreamer; but I`m not the only one." :) > > Cheers, > Valeria > > > On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 4:59 PM Jonathan S. Katz <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> On 1/6/20 8:12 AM, Dave Cramer wrote: >> > >> > >> > On Mon, 6 Jan 2020 at 04:57, Valeria Kaplan <[email protected] >> > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> > >> > Hi Umair, >> > >> > Thanks for sending this to Manoj, this is a super useful page. >> > Do you know if there is a particular reason why this info is not on >> > the main website? >> > >> > I think it's super useful, so maybe we could put it >> > here: https://www.postgresql.org/community/user-groups/ or at least >> > provide a link to wiki (I guess, it depends whether or not we would >> > liek to keep using wiki for instructions like that - I personally, >> > think we shouldn't since only those who are already involved in the >> > community would be aware of wiki, others will most probably look for >> > information like that on the main website.). >> > >> > All, >> > what do you think? >> > >> > >> > Personally I find the wiki a terrible place to put anything. It is only >> > useful if you know that what you are searching for exists and you have >> > some vague notion of how to search for it. >> > >> > +1 for the main page >> >> I think the idea for this page being on the wiki was that it allowed for >> changes to be made over time, e.g. if there was a new idea for how to do >> something, a clarification, etc. It also has not been updated since 2015. >> >> That said, I would not be opposed to adding something on the website for >> how to start a user group, etc. but I think we need to ensure we have >> some "final" language we've agreed to. It's (relatively) easier to >> modify a Wiki page than the website. >> >> Perhaps an interim step is to link to the wiki page from the website? We >> can then work on what we would want the "user group operating manual" >> page to say on the website, and once ready, commit that. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Jonathan >> > ^ permalink raw reply [nested|flat] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: Local User Groups - advocacy @ 2020-03-11 00:06 Justin Clift <[email protected]> parent: Valeria Kaplan <[email protected]> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Justin Clift @ 2020-03-11 00:06 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Valeria Kaplan <[email protected]>; +Cc: pgsql-advocacy; [email protected]; Jonathan S. Katz <[email protected]> Seems like a worthwhile attempt, worthy of trying out and seeing how it goes if nothing else. :) + Justin On 2020-03-03 21:24, Valeria Kaplan wrote: > Hi All, > > I think my email (below) fell between the cracks, but we still need to > address the issue of not having any information about setting up and > running meetups on postgres.org, so if there are no comments about the > updated > wiki page text > <https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/UserGroupOperatingManual>(see > my email below) I'd suggest that myself and Johnathan (if you have > time, > Johnathan) finalise it and add it to the website to keep the ball > rolling. > > Thanks, > Valeria ^ permalink raw reply [nested|flat] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: Local User Groups - advocacy @ 2020-03-11 02:32 Jonathan S. Katz <[email protected]> parent: Justin Clift <[email protected]> 0 siblings, 2 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Jonathan S. Katz @ 2020-03-11 02:32 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Justin Clift <[email protected]>; Valeria Kaplan <[email protected]>; +Cc: pgsql-advocacy; [email protected] On 3/10/20 8:06 PM, Justin Clift wrote: > Seems like a worthwhile attempt, worthy of trying out and seeing how it > goes > if nothing else. :) > > + Justin > > > On 2020-03-03 21:24, Valeria Kaplan wrote: >> Hi All, >> >> I think my email (below) fell between the cracks, but we still need to >> address the issue of not having any information about setting up and >> running meetups on postgres.org, so if there are no comments about the >> updated >> wiki page text >> <https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/UserGroupOperatingManual>(see >> my email below) I'd suggest that myself and Johnathan (if you have time, >> Johnathan) finalise it and add it to the website to keep the ball >> rolling. Sorry, missed this during travel and forgot to circle back. Certainly +1 to moving it forward. I have a few content tweaks queued up to do, next week likely better to push a bunch of changes through to the website. I skimmed through the notes -- they look way more organized. I think it will be a very helpful resource! Jonathan Attachments: [application/pgp-signature] signature.asc (833B, ../../[email protected]/2-signature.asc) download ^ permalink raw reply [nested|flat] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: Local User Groups - advocacy @ 2020-03-11 11:44 Valeria Kaplan <[email protected]> parent: Jonathan S. Katz <[email protected]> 1 sibling, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Valeria Kaplan @ 2020-03-11 11:44 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Jonathan S. Katz <[email protected]>; +Cc: Justin Clift <[email protected]>; pgsql-advocacy; [email protected] Cool, thank you Johnathan! Let me know if I can be of any help for completing this (even if just circling back with you next week :) ) On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:32 AM Jonathan S. Katz <[email protected]> wrote: > > Sorry, missed this during travel and forgot to circle back. > > Certainly +1 to moving it forward. I have a few content tweaks queued up > to do, next week likely better to push a bunch of changes through to the > website. > > I skimmed through the notes -- they look way more organized. I think it > will be a very helpful resource! > > Jonathan > > ^ permalink raw reply [nested|flat] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: Local User Groups - advocacy @ 2020-03-11 13:33 Dave Cramer <[email protected]> parent: Jonathan S. Katz <[email protected]> 1 sibling, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Dave Cramer @ 2020-03-11 13:33 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Jonathan S. Katz <[email protected]>; +Cc: Justin Clift <[email protected]>; Valeria Kaplan <[email protected]>; pgsql-advocacy; [email protected] Dave Cramer www.postgres.rocks On Tue, 10 Mar 2020 at 22:33, Jonathan S. Katz <[email protected]> wrote: > On 3/10/20 8:06 PM, Justin Clift wrote: > > Seems like a worthwhile attempt, worthy of trying out and seeing how it > > goes > > if nothing else. :) > > > > + Justin > > > > > > On 2020-03-03 21:24, Valeria Kaplan wrote: > >> Hi All, > >> > >> I think my email (below) fell between the cracks, but we still need to > >> address the issue of not having any information about setting up and > >> running meetups on postgres.org, so if there are no comments about the > >> updated > >> wiki page text > >> <https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/UserGroupOperatingManual>(see > >> my email below) I'd suggest that myself and Johnathan (if you have time, > >> Johnathan) finalise it and add it to the website to keep the ball > >> rolling. > > Sorry, missed this during travel and forgot to circle back. > > Certainly +1 to moving it forward. I have a few content tweaks queued up > to do, next week likely better to push a bunch of changes through to the > website. > > I skimmed through the notes -- they look way more organized. I think it > will be a very helpful resource! > > Jonathan > > Valeria, Great work! Thanks for doing this. I read through it and have some possible edits. 1. - Email the list [email protected] announcing that you would like to create a user group in your area and note if need funds setting up your meeting.com account. Possibly change this to "if you need funds... " Please consider your local specifics and popular platforms in your geography . change to "in your area" it is successful if the focus is on its audience and the narrower your focus is the better your meetup will run and the stronger community you will create It took me a bit to grok the sentence above. Does this work ? To be successful, focus on the audience. The narrower your focus, the better your meetup will run; resulting in a stronger community Regards, Dave ^ permalink raw reply [nested|flat] 6+ messages in thread
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